From the Rickhouse: Tech Talk, Social Media Use, and Netflix with The Primeagen - Whiskey Web and Whatnot

What's going on, everybody? Welcome to Whiskeyweb and whatnot with your host, Robert William Wagner and Charles William Carpenter, the second. That's right. I'm moving up the ranks. I can't wait to be a senior Charles William Carpenter, but I just haven't met all my milestones yet. I'm trying to mentor more. All right. We have a special guest today, second time guest, the primogen. What's going on? Hello, hello. Thank you for having me yet again. I'm surprised after the first one. Let it happen again. I mean, this is shocking for me. Okay. Oh, yeah. You're under the misnomer that we have high standards. So don't worry. You know, it was once said of me that I come with nothing

and leave everything. My standards are exceptionally low. So perfect. Not to, actually, that could be an insult for you guys to worry. My standards are low enough for you. You just say yes to anyone to send you free booze. I get it. I know. I was like, there's whiskey involved. What do you want me to do? Well, right. Exactly. Well, on the off chance that our listener didn't happen to listen to the other episode and you need to let them know who you are and what you do. Sure. The names, the primogen, very odd name. I say that at the end of every YouTube video, I guess probably the, a big change since the last time we chatted. I'm

probably now best known under a separate moniker, which is the prime time. I don't really go by it on any platform, but it's my second YouTube channel, which is now more popular in views than my main channel, where I just read articles. So I'm not sure exactly how that has happened, but I just, you know, one day decided I was going to read some articles because, you know, we all don't read articles just the headlines. And I was like, I'm going to do this for YouTube. And it's just that's how people know me now. So I guess I'm just an article Andy. I just read articles on the internet. That's pretty fun. You should get sponsored by that drink. That drink

prime. Oh, yeah. I'm not sure. I think it's an energy drinker. Yeah, it is an energy drink. If I'm not mistaken, Congress has actually tried to ban it once. I don't know if I want to necessarily be on either side of whatever that is. Well, let's clarify because there are two drinks. There's an energy drink and like a hydration version. The hydration version is very good. I don't know if it's good for you, but there's no caffeine in it. Okay. Okay. So the one with like five times the caffeine of red bull is the one they're trying to get rid of because like, yeah, that's fair. Yeah. There's a ceiling on too much caffeine and one sitting, I guess. I don't know.

Yeah. Yeah. I hear that. So my big rule of thumb, just so I know this, I know this is off-topic, but it's not off-topic. I think part of being a peak dev is being conscious of your health. And so that's technically the real reason is, you know, artificial sweeteners, a time and time again come up as probably bad for you. They had a study that showed two generations in rats afterwards had heightened anxiety problems from their parents drinking artificial sweeteners. I don't trust it. So artificial sweeteners, too much sugar, too much caffeine. I love coffee though. I've been drinking half-caffe coffee in Urbamate. I'm kind of Urbamate up right now, in fact. Oh, I love

Mate. I love to get into that, too, because I want to get into a little bit later. I want to get into not only your status as a streamer, but sort of the stance you've taken on on tech Twitter. Again, for like advocating for good health, advocating for like good moral standards, being a weirdo and like loving your family kids and wife and all that fun stuff. I'm a bit antithetical. I get in a lot of trouble. I get called a lot of bad words for saying these things. Which is a little surprising. Anyways, we can get to all of that. You got the conversation. I'll just talk endlessly. Perfect. That's what we're here for. So let's go with the whiskey,

then. Yeah. Let's clearly you're feeling a little nervous. We need to get into a little whiskey and loosen you up a bit. Today we're having the spirits of French lick, William Dalton, single barrel weeded bourbon. So this one's going to be a little hotter. It's 110.84 proof, aged 4.5 years. Minus barrel, 779. I'll assume you got the same give or take. They did a barrel, the match bill. So I would assume. Yeah, off from the right. That's true. Yeah, that's true on. Okay. Hey, listen. Don't ruin the flow. Okay. Match bill is 70% corn, 20% wheat, and 10% malt. So it's two row caramel, malted barley. Not really sure about that, but the note that I found about it is it's inspired by

an old stitzelweller weeded bourbon match bill. Stitzelweller was like a huge distillery right in Louisville. It was really big from things like old Fitzgerald in the 50s, 60s and 70s. So the fun thing is the master distiller at Stitzelweller was Pappy Van Winkle. Now, no, no, as the branding and everything else for. Yeah, because what they did, that's how they started that bourbon. His grandson, son, grandson, something like that, bought a bunch of old steel barrels full of old Fitzgerald, that they couldn't sell at the time through the 90s and early 2000s. So he takes that, starts bottling it, brands it as Pappy Van Winkle thing, catches on with chefs and celebrities and

all this kind of stuff, and then whiskey's ruined. But anyway, I digress. Let's give this a shot. All right. Yeah. I put a couple of ice cubes in mine. Okay. I don't know if that is... I don't know if I've become unsanctimonious for you guys. I don't even think I use the right term. Listen, unlike you and Doleg, I don't judge. It smells like... Hubba Bubba to me. Wow, that is very specific. Yeah. And we are talking about random old snack foods. Does Hubba Bubba still... Bubbalicious exists. I've seen that. Was Bubbalicious the... Bubbalicious does exist as I've purchased it for my kids 9,000 times.

Perfect. It's great. Oh, this is great whiskey. Last time I thought it was way too spicy for my, you know, for me, I'm a little bit, you know. I'm not sure what the right term is. So I'm pretty weak on the whiskey explanations, but I know that there's definitely like a flavor range. Like, when I drink a bladins, it doesn't have that strong burn. Yeah, it's 90 proof. So it's a little weaker than this would be. And then I drink like some Japanese whiskies, and I have like a hard time finishing them. And I think there's some... There's something that's different that I don't know how to qualify. I'm not sure if it's the pass amount or what they do or how they do it,

but there's some that I find very harder to drink and some that I find much easier to drink. And this one I could accidentally like say something bad because I could drink way too much of this. Perfect. All right. Oh, man, please tell me we're going to get there. Yeah, I mean, basically to broadly answer your statement, essentially many things are different. I feel like we sent you a ride last time, something else. So we would have a mash bill that includes mostly ride. So essentially, it's going to be a big part of it or the grains they put together to go ahead and create the beer. This one is weeded. So essentially means it's mostly corn, but includes

wheat in the mash bill, which makes it a little bit sweeter. So you've got corn and wheat both in there. They're going to kind of give you that sweetness. It does. I was about to say it reminds me of an onion. I wouldn't call this sweet. I wouldn't call an onion sweet, but they say the sophisticated ham and pineapple pizza is sausage and onion because the onion gives it that sweet, the ham instead of ham instead of tearing up the pizza instead of the raw pulling. You have the more break apartable sausage that is like the more sophisticated version of that. And I feel like I feel that, which is that I feel the sweetness, but I wouldn't call it sweet. Yeah. That's fair.

Good explanation. Yeah. And I agree on the pineapple pizza. I like my love pineapple pizza. No, I love it. I think it's great. I will eat it. If it's there, I'll eat it. I have no problems with it. I'd like to add a little spice to it, too, to really kind of round out the umami there. So puts in jalapenos or something on it. Yeah, that's perfect. I'm going to throw something at you right now. It's going to it's going to it's going to trip you up for a moment, but just stay with me. Okay. Start using serranos instead. Now, here's the reason why is that a serranos low heat index is nearest the midway to high point of a jalapeno. And the high point is

slightly above the high point of a jalapeno with a jalapeno. Either you have like green pepper spice or you have like, oh my gosh, I'm going to die. Whereas a serranos just like near that more, oh my gosh, I'm going to die. But then it's also lowered into like, oh, this is pretty good, right? So it's like, I feel like I get a consistent spice. I know how much to put on it. I don't overdo it. I don't underdo it. I get it right every time. I want to make a thing of guacamole. Once serranos nights gives a little bite, too, if I want to feel a little adventurous, right? Like, I know what I'm doing. I kind of kind of I can kind of walk through it. Yeah, that's a great

pro tip. I love that. Thank you. My next pineapple pizza will include that and sausage, not ham. Oh, sausage is a good one. You know, but sausage and onions, it's a very different flavor, right? It's a different mode. It's, you know, I feel like a pineapple and and ham I'm out there. It's a fun pizza. I'm having fun. It's it's a more expressive pizza. The flavors all kind of kick at each other versus kind of being together. Yes. Yes. I love this. All right. I'm going to bring you back to the whiskey, though, because you said you really like it and you may or may not remember the tentacle scale zero to eight because engineers need zero based. So zero is

eight inclusive. I mean, even is inclusive to have everything you want it to be or as little as you want it to be. So meaning like, we're going to separate this out probably into bourbons, maybe even weeded bourbons and right against other ones like that. I think you should consider it from just a drink ability standpoint. Yeah. Yeah. Like would you drink this on a regular basis? However frequently that is, there's no judgment here. And you know, if you were having a drink, would you just just pick this and not even think about it or would you maybe survey a couple of options, consider what you're eating and all that kind of stuff and then put it somewhere in the

middle? I don't know. There's a lot of ways you can go with it. Well, I mean, I have a take if I if I can go. So hold on. So I just want to make sure I can rate it either from zero to eight. The classic nine tentacle octopus. Exactly. Yeah. Well, in a recent show, because I had read this recently, so octopi regenerate and it's possible for them to regenerate more than one of a loss limb. So there can be nine. Nice. Well, that's that's that's I didn't realize that. Okay. So this is this is a formal octopus rating. Okay. I get it. All right. I really like this one. I would most certainly drink it without hesitation. And so I'm not sure where that falls onto that

because again, I do not have a sophisticated whiskey or cigar palette. I've tried to work a little bit more on my cigar palette than my whiskey palette, but I would say that this is a good one. I would put it somewhere in maybe the six to seven range. Maybe maybe mid six would be a good place for me to be. That's fair. That's a good place to go with it. How are you feeling about this Robbie? Yeah, I feel kind of the same. I think the Weller, I have to forget the names of all on the antique one was a weeded one, right? Yeah. The one of seven. Yeah. Yeah. It's got a maroon label. I think that one of seven proof was one of the best ones. And I think it was a little better

than this. And I think it was like a seven. So I'm going to say yeah, six or so. Fair enough. I'm going to talk a little bit about flavor. It's funny that you mentioned cigars just because when I smelled it, I smelled a little bit of sweetness and a little bit of like, I was almost going to say like leaf tobacco or something, not necessarily like chew or something like that they do put, but you know, if you smell a new cigar, I could actually pick up some of that in the scent. And then I get tend to get kind of a burnt sugar in its flavor, sweetness in that sense. I guess a nuanced sweetness. I really like it. I think it's very good. Again, it's good that you brought that up,

probably the whole antique one of seven, which I used to have as one of my regular cippers, especially when I could buy it for 30 to $35. Now it's 100 plus. So it's accessibility kind of makes it, you know, it annoys me about it to triple my price and give me the same product. But so this one, I'm going to give this one a seven. I enjoy it quite a bit as is. So it's really good neat. I could see maybe a couple of drops of water doing something for it. For me, I don't even remember how much it was, but, you know, money's no object. Of course it's a show. We're just rolling in it. And... Classic podcast money. Right. It's so much podcast money. I mean, our listener sends us

like a regular check and it's, we appreciate it. Thank you, listener. Yeah, solid seven for me. That's where I'm going with it. With a 10 out of 10 would have again. Yeah, that reminds me of the one of the more recent shop talk show episodes. They were like, we've introduced a lifetime subscription for $38,000. Just email me directly if you'd like to do it. One quick interruption. Did my windows alert go off? I stream in video from Windows. Did it go off? Did you hear it? I don't think so. I don't know. It would have been very obvious if you heard it. It's either a yes or no. Was that that? No. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Because it was

really loud. No. Yeah. No. Nothing very loud for me. Okay. Just want to make sure, by the way, I just want to out myself now. I use Windows for video. Windows for video, everybody, because I have things that run on Windows or Mac and I don't like Macs. This is a hot take. We're going to ride in the hot takes right now. So you would rather work on a Windows computer for video. I know. Are you coding in videos? Okay. Is there other things just the one that you see? You just have one activity. Yep. That's one activity video and video games to be fair. Right. Because you've been kind of trapped there, though, right? I mean, it's really hard to not bring your playing

Windows pretty much or Xbox. Yeah. So that's kind of like a bummer about the whole thing. Yeah, it's essentially why I have a Windows machine. I mean, officially for testing purposes, because I'm a responsible web developer who tests every system and browsers. Yeah. I just need a really strong video card for my browsers. That's just coincidental. Yeah. You just need a 480 Ti to render Twitter. I mean, I get it. I'm right there with you. Exactly. They're not optimized. It really slows down performance if you don't have specifically the Ti edition. Okay. Good to know. Good to know. All upgrade. Yeah. Put that on the on the expense.

So my first thought take then is Twitter or X? You know, honestly, I'm one of those people. Again, this probably gets to your earlier part about me having those takes about family and healthy life. I just don't care. Yeah. Really? I don't have time in my life to be upset about someone else's decision. I mean, I can still go to Twitter.com. Like it really actually doesn't even like stop me in any sense of my icon updated. That was a little hard to get used to on the phone and like find it differently. But it just doesn't I don't know these. I just have to have more in life to be upset about than someone's naming decision. Now, like, obviously,

if they would have named it, no, actually, I don't think it's besides for like some offensive name that I could have a murdering children.com. Hot sucks now.com. I'd be like, I can't open this app. This is inappropriate. You know, like I couldn't do that now, you know, but it's just like it's not available, right? It just doesn't bother me. So I know I literally have no opinions other than you. I guess my opinion is you shouldn't have an opinion because it doesn't really affect you. Yeah. And the and the sense is is that if you dug into the CEO or owner of many companies that you probably freely give money to, you probably wouldn't like what you found and you choose

to be like blissfully ignorant about most people do. And the only reason why people have this is because he's very, you know, outspoken on this platform. So yeah, you get a bit more of a direct line. There was, I mean, like to be fair, one of Google's executives had a overdose death charge due to a prostitute on a yacht. Right. So like, you know, there's things you can be guilty of. And I feel like cocaine and hookers is probably, you know, like that's pretty far up there. And so, you know, like if you look into anybody, like the thing is is that we all morally think that we stand on some sort of high ground, but not one of us has a billion dollars. Like that's the reality.

Like the life you live as a billionaire is vastly different than the life you live as just a normal person that's forced to go to work that has to do things. There's this story. I happen to personally know someone named Greg Gianforte ran from Montana. I knew him through a mutual friend and he became a billionaire because he sold his company to Oracle right now technologies became Oracle. And that's how he became a billionaire. And he said the difference is is that he can no longer effectively make friends because once you go from a nobody to somebody, everybody's trying to get something from you. So it's like, I try not the judge too hard because I've never sat in

that position. I'd like to think I'd be a moral, upstanding, great individual that continues to believe the things I believe now. But the reality is I've just never walked that walk. And it's hard for me to talk to people. Yeah. I think it's completely fair take because it's easy for to pass judgment in the position that you are right now. I think this is a good time to take a quick, you know, momentary break and shout out to our sponsor, Google Cloud provider. Sorry. I'm so sorry. Just kidding. You can edit out the previous part, but he's just kidding. Oh, he's just kidding. No, I just can't totally kidding.

I was like, oh my goodness, I did it wrong. No, no, you're fine. You're fine. No, no, we would it, we would have given you a good alley hoop on that. Sorry. Maybe, maybe you should take the next item. Oh, my God. Robby. Oh, yeah, everything went out of my brain when that happened, but something that I thought was interesting that you had posted was that react is the new Java. What does that mean exactly? Like Java means bad, right? Or I would say that you have ever seen the cartoon that draws all the programming languages and Java's like the buttoned up suit guy, see sharps like the guy still wearing pleated pants and all that, you know, like each one

kind of has that side note. It kind of feels like react at this point is in this state where it's the industry standard, but I don't feel like people are happy with it. Like I don't feel like people are excited about it. They just, it's, you know, like I made, I accidentally made a meme about two months before react server components were announced where it's like a dev who just got done or like celebrating react 19. I didn't realize they were on 17 going to 18. I thought they're already on 18. So I misstepped the numbering system, but react sell, you know, a dev celebrating react 19 and it was a lieutenant Dan from Forest Gump who has all the confetti on them but looking

really sad. It's just like that, right? You have an application. If you are working at any company that was invented before yesterday, you are working probably with classes still in react. Then you have some hooks mixed in. You have some unsafe underscore component will update methods that you're doing that you don't call set state on because we all know it won't work, right? Like you just like there's like 9,000 things you're working on and that's the state of life. It is the industry standard, but at the exact same time, I don't see people like genuinely as excited about it unless if you can totally greenfield it. And you know, greenfielding is not everyone.

Most people don't work on greenfield projects. Most people work on react from four years ago, five years ago, six years ago. I think that's true within framework though. Like people aren't excited about a nap that's five years old because there's a lot of tech debt and stuff you have to fix in there. And like it's not as fun as building a new thing and like I don't even know what people use these days, but you know. That's just the rate of like front end development where like all of these things are like 10 years or less old to begin with. And shiny new things always happening because they're inventing it on the fly. And you know, this will kind of go into

a question I think we can talk about later, which is just about like what is a web application? What is the baseline that we need for a web application these days? You know, do we need all of this logic in a browser anymore? And if we do, what does that look like? Maybe there's a fresh take there, but I have a lot of takes on that. Don't worry. I'm storing them up. Okay, fair enough. So on the heels of things like that, what do you think about everyone ripping TypeScript out of their code bases? Well, that's an overstatement. There's really only two major things that have ripped TypeScript out of their application. And they did so in very different ways.

I've caught a lot of flak on this one. Despite I think I got grouped in with other people, I actually agreed with them ripping out TypeScript. So hey, don't shoot the messenger, but you know, like I agreed with them. Actually, I'm not the messenger. I am the I am the relevantor or whatever they call it, the revelator. I am the person saying these things. So first off, it was Svelte and DHH or the big ones Svelte ripped out TypeScript, but replaced it with JS Doc. I really don't think that that's a bad plan. One thing that really worries me just in general about TypeScript is that you can become clever by half, like two clever by half so easily with TypeScript. Once you're

in generics using these custom methods, reducing things down, making a key specific, you're getting so intense and you have to ask yourself, what are you really winning? Because the moment you change either side of your application, whether the logic to your types or the logic to your application, which by the way, should be a red flag when you have two trains of logic running to do something that you have to change the other side. They're tightly coupled to each other and that obviously makes sense. They have to be tightly coupled to each other because they are literally a representation of each other in two different, you know, two different languages, if you will. And so it's like,

I get that. JS Doc kind of forces you to be more simple. You're okay, maybe with not all of the autocomplete you theoretically could have, but you have enough to be able to not shoot yourself in the foot ever. To me, that's like a really good tradeoff. Now, the reason why I disagreed with DHH and on his move is not that he said, hey, TypeScript's bad, but you know, some typing could be good. It can save you from a lot of simple problems, not that you can really force types on JavaScript. If someone hands you a number and you thought it was a string and it just wasn't a part of your system, you're going to get that. So in some sense, he is more correct saying typeless is better

because you are forced to handle those cases always. But at the end of the day, he provided no types, which I also think is equally probably not in the right direction. Though I can respect his decision on that thing. And I think it's probably the right way. He also gets the unfair shake because people either love him and will defend him or hate him and will just say whatever they can against him. And I don't think either are technically correct. So there you go. I'm giving you the more, this is the, so these are the takes you get not on Twitter. This is the take you get on the live stream and stuff like that where I'll try to walk through my thought process on these things.

Because on Twitter, you got 280 characters. Really, you only have about 40 to 50 characters if you want to make a tweet work. And you can't say all this in a single tweet. Right. So this is a, this is why it's great to like bring it up here. Talk about it over a little bit of whiskey and like not make such a big damn deal because people can conflate the context of words in a lot of different ways. Yeah. I mean, DHH is another one where I have a lot of indifference to. He's had success. I don't know. I used base camp a few different times in previous positions. Seems fine. Works for different people. Bought him a few race cars. Good for you.

Yeah. I mean, awesome. You got to race car. Yeah. I think ultimately at the end of the day, that project, even as open source, as he said, has been fully funded by his company, predominantly used by his company and the direction given by his company. So if folks in open source don't like the direction that it's going given, you know, the trade off with the benefit they may or may not get, then you know, move on to the next thing. Fair. Fair take. I'm going to, I'm going to challenge you to touch on that one though, which is that when people start relying on you as some sort of open source provider, you do still have some level of obligation.

You know, I generally say explicitly that I don't call myself open source on any of my projects, including my dot files. I have a bunch of scripts people use. T mock session eyes. There's probably the most popular one of all mine. And I just say it's public source. And there's a difference. I make all the decisions. You can use what you want, but I have no obligation to make you happy. I'm not going to try to make you happy. And this is just for me. Sorry. That's just the way it's going to be because I can't. And so if the thing he was developing was public source in that kind of sense, then that makes sense. But if it was open source where people were contributing

to making it part of theirs and all that, and then you get the 180 on them, I could feel a bit betrayed by that. You can, I mean, in general open sources of gentleman's agreement or a people's agreement to be more correct. And unfortunately, or fortunately, at any point, they can kind of change their mind on that to a degree. You know, like Hashikor changing things around Terraform, trying to, because, you know, they're a for-profit company who have this open source product. And then they shifted that. They shifted the agreement to their own betterment or to try to basically, you know, counteract other companies profiting off of their work.

What you're thinking and you're intent when you start an open source project and where your mind is there and years down the line, especially if a company is backing that, unfortunately, like it or not, that's, I think that's a degree of capitalism that people don't have to like. Absolutely not. Is it right? Probably not. It's not morally correct. Is it still going to happen from time to time? Absolutely. Someone's going to rage off FakerJS and ruin a bunch of stuff. Or just these things are going to happen. Hopefully, there are a few and far between. But I think to expect that these individuals have an obligation to you for all of life is kind of a problem in

open source to begin with because this is a bunch of free work, right? At the end of the day, it's a bunch of free work that many people benefit from. I mean, we talked to Max and T, .xyz, his thing where he's trying to put in a system that will reward open source contributors, open source leaders. I don't know if that's the right answer or if there is a right answer at any point, but I think there's always going to be a point of contention at some juncture because of money. It's always because of money. Whether you like it or not, it's always because of money. The thing is, money may change. The definition of money may change. They always try to have

this futuristic society where there's no such thing as money. It's just as replaced with something else because now you have the notoriety, right? You just have office politics, except for everywhere. And so that's the next version of money. When people do these things, something is always going to challenge it and there's no way to make it so that they're going to love what you do. That's why I'm not necessarily against what happened when it came to what DHH did because it should be in their purview. It is a company paying to do that. It's not like the deleted previous versions. I really don't like that they left their users kind of in the dust on that,

feels I feel bad for them on that. But someone can also create a types, you know, a definitely typed types slash whatever the library was named. And now someone just provided the DTS file and now it works again with types. Yeah, totally. There's that. There's forking. There's thunder at your house. Yeah, sorry. That was thunder if you were wondering. It was not a train wreck. It was just a standard thunder. That's good. Thunder is great. So I do want to preface one thing. If you're looking for super hot takes, I probably have some of the least hot takes of people. I genuinely think I have fairly mild takes. I'm glad to keep answering these, but I try. I really do try, despite my Twitter,

see things from both sides. Yeah, it's really. I do believe you're genuine. I think you're genuine. I think that that is probably what resonates there. But the funny, it's funny that you say that because I feel like something you've said on tech Twitter probably is behind at least what, 40% or so of our hot takes that we ask you and ask all the guys by the way. Fair, fair, fair. Right. You're driving force there. Like it or not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People can take things in whatever context they want, whether it was meant to be hot or not. But yeah, let's talk a little bit about milk. Yeah. How do you feel about milk these days? Okay. So I've recently quit milk.

So let me, so first I got to, I got to do the full. Can I give you like the full story of this one? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And you won the internet on milk. So I can't wait to hear where it goes. You know, I actually both one end lost the internet. Wait till you hear, I guess you didn't hear the conclusion to this epic story. So it started off with Milky Dev. I always call him the milkman just because, you know, his name literally just sounds like milk, whatever, right? And so him being goofy, he grabbed a gallon of milk and drank it on stream. He's like, I have a milkman, right? Funny, right? Well, if you haven't followed the account Warren Buffering, you're really missing

out Warren Buffering is like one of the funnest events. I think it's made him mad. I don't know. Yeah, you never know what you're going to get out of him. He's very, very funny. So he like just sought and then took a picture of him drinking out of a gallon of milk. So then I see that I go sit out in my field and drink out of a gallon of milk with the horses behind me. So then it's just like a proceeding of who can make the most outrageous things. Well Warren Buffering happens to live with me in South Dakota. So I was like, Hey, my father-in-law has a boat. Let's go on the boat. Let's wake surf and I will feed you milk, right? And so I went behind him, grabbed him and fed him milk on

the wake surf. We were both wake surfing at the same time. There's one detail I need to add there is that you were in the hoodie with the headphones. I was in the hoodie with the headphones still odd. Yeah, that was part of the joke is I never leave the hoodie and headphones, which I'm currently in right now. And so it was a good joke. I thought it was genuinely great. Well, right after that, a someone that's going for the Rust moderation team, he tweets out that it's a well-known fact that drinking milk is a sign of white supremacy. Link some article from 2018. I know you guys both look surprised. I turned out drinking milk from the gallon is a sign of white supremacy. Now I

literally have never met somebody that actually knew this. I didn't even know this was a thing. And so then he's like, but that's like the whole game is that when you can easily deny it, that's why it's a dog whistle. So it's like your double trap. Like I can't say either like if I say deny it, see dog whistle. I'm like, damn it. How am I? I got racism from drinking milk on the wake serve. Like I just didn't see this one coming. How is it possible? All right. And so yes, I got that one. And it kind of just like I really was trying to make tech Twitter just a more fun place because it's always arguments. It's always belittling. And like even in our best effort,

which got all the way up to writing surfboards, I thought someone might try to do it skydiving. I genuinely thought there would be one dev that tried it skydiving because that's like the next thing, right? But no, it didn't get there. It just kind of got squashed and then everyone kind of got sad about it. And it just kind of it just kind of ruined the fun. And my only take on obviously white supremacy is that it's just it's just sad, right? They're just bunch of losers in their mom's basement. You know, I'm not going to be affected by them. That's why I don't know about it. I don't even read up on that crap. I don't have time for that crap because I got kids and shit to do. So

it's like, yeah, that sucks. Whatever. Well, well, are your kids white supremacist? Because my kids have white supremacy drink released before more than a week. That is many, many times. No, obviously they drink a lot of milk, but they love milk. So I actually quit milk not because of that because I've been just trying to lower my sugar intake. Pretty regularly. So I've decided that I'm going to start drinking less milk because I used to put in my coffee a bunch. So to avoid getting as much sugar, I just cut milk out almost entirely. Basically, what is it for especially for males? I think past the age of 25 or so when your bones have solidified more, like milk isn't

really that beneficial in the same ways that it would be for bone density and whatnot prior to. Plus, you can get calcium at a bunch of like green vegetables and stuff. Sure, sure, but it's the emotional part, okay? You don't need to ever eat a donut. There's nothing good about a donut, but you know what? I love donuts, okay? I love voodoo donuts. I want that Homer Simpson donut all day every day, but I don't eat it all day every day because I have self control. The higher will versus the lower will, okay? I listen to the higher will here, but nonetheless, that's why I don't do it is just simply that I want to just always kind of take out the

take the easy wins. I may love milk in coffee. I think it just tastes the best. Really coffee is just a delivery system for more milk, but easy W, reduced sugar, increased just overall health, easy win. Yeah, fair enough. Sorry. Jesus is upset outside. Nobody knows what's happening. I like this is loud. Did we just give him best friends? I think we did. I was just about to say that. I was like, Jesus, what's your favorite dinosaur? All right. Oh, geez. Yeah, step brothers. Yeah, I got it. I want one more hot take though because everybody's talking about bun, bun, bun, bun, bun, bun, bun, bun, bun, bun, bun, bun, bun. I'm currently in trouble right now

on tech Twitter because of my YouTube video today, so. Oh, I gotta go watch that after. I was yeah, stuck in thing. I couldn't do research to date also. I'm being currently called out by Node.js right now. Okay. Yeah, I was gonna say there it is. Bun or Node V20 because Node continues to innovate and upgrade. I'm going to read you my my current like intro to this video I'm thinking about on bun. Okay. It goes or it goes a little something like this. It's a Friday afternoon and you write your first line of code for your startup, which was a configuration for TypeScript, Webpack, ESLint, prettier, prettier inside of ESLint. I'm cutting it kind of short, right? And

finally, after many hours of sadness and JSON configuration and questions to chat GPT where Sheila reminds you that she has an updated her training since 2001, but we all know she's a liar and she's been updating it right now. Sky that's upon us, you know, then in walks the hottest, the newest, the likely buggyest production ready 1.0 runs JavaScript directly bundles your code, makes it production worthy, drop in replacement for Node and is blazingly fast. Bun. Obviously, there's a joke in there, likely the buggyest. The thing about bun is that I really like it. It's just not 1.0. It's just straight up not 1.0. I used it. I have a performance application that

goes through a series of improvements to see like how it makes it better and bun off the rip dominated node, right? Just completely dominated. Their ability, their callback mechanism for process tick is just way, way better. Their interaction with the runtime for set time out is way, way better. Their promise handling way, way better. But if you set time out with a time of zero and you do that in a loop, you'll starve the thread. It does not happen in any other JavaScript because it's just not feature complete. It's not JavaScript yet. And that's the big problem is that bun is just not 1.0. And so I think this is where people get all upset and they're like, you know,

the problem, venture capitalism, probably correct on this one. Bun's not 1.0, but they've gone 1.0. And so I agree with that take that, you know, money's probably the reason why they went 1.0 at this point. They're just not ready for it. Do I think bun has a great future? I think JavaScript Core has been claiming they're faster than V8 for a long time. It actually could very well be true. Perhaps ditching 20 years or 15 years or I forgot when when did no JS come out 2008, 2009, but they've had 15 years of legacy. No matter what you think, 15 years of legacy is just simply going to have things that aren't as good, right? They're going to, there's some parts that just won't

be as well written or there's better like sys calls, right? Few texts maybe becomes available on Linux before it wasn't available. It's like a better way to do mutex types of blah, blah, blah. It's like those things couldn't, you know, maybe you just don't have them yet. And because rust didn't even have them until just like a year and a half ago, that's why you used a parking lot for mutex as opposed to using rust standards mutex. And so there's a real reason why these things happen, why legacy can be expensive. It's just simply the world moves on. And so I do not fall node for that at all. I like the performance. I like what it's offering. I like that about fun,

but here's where the real kicker happened. I took my big project. I wrote a, I still use WebPack because WebPack is honestly the easiest one to get started with chat GPT. I go, here's my entry. I want a single file out. I want to uglify this, this and this. Make it happen. Boom. It spits you on a config, put it in, makes it happen. Fantastic. Vite, I still struggle with both pronouncing it the correct way and actually having the library version of it. French people across the world are like, I know. You got, you need to pronounce it with it's endordinated. It's a, it's a, it's a, that is like Italian. That's Italian, by the way. That's Italian ad bass right there. Now you make an enemy's all across

Jumma Pell, Charles. I just said my name is Charles just so you know. Yeah. No, I, I'm going to France next week and I took like six years of French anyway. Okay. Okay. Then you should be more ashamed of your French accent. You should do 12. Yeah. Oh, do 12. That's what I'm saying. Z set. All right. Anyway, but another Charles. So performance is a good thing. I think we can all agree performance is a good thing. It's the other promises that I want to see bun fulfill, which is have you ever had a project you're using everything's going great and all of a sudden you include another dependency and your build stops working and it says, hey, you need type module. So you put

type module and then your build keeps failing and says, hey, you can't do this because you have type module and you're like, what happened? You're using Vite. Vite's supposed to like take care of all these things. Yet somehow you can't do anything because either it fails if you do or fails if you don't. So therefore it doesn't work. And so it's like, that sucks. That sucks a lot, especially since it's literally just an import export like you could totally solve this. It's like 30 lines of coaches solve the thing. That's all you need to do. And yet it's not solved. And so when bun came around and said, hey, you know what, we're going to make ES6 common JS, whatever you're doing,

we're going to make it work. And that's that. And guess what? The same tool you use to install your dependencies is the same tool you're going to use to bundle, which is the same tool you're going to minify with. And it's the same tool that you can just raw dog run type script and it will effectively feel instant. That's fun. To me, that was the 10 times bigger selling point is not the performance, but the fact that from the very first time you've ever written a line of code to the person that seen some shit in the field, they're all going to appreciate that as a selling point. Because guess what? Guess what cargo does? The same thing. Guess what go does? The same thing. It just caught up

to modern development for the first time ever in a real way. And so I love that because Vite is not modern development. It's it's still yet another tool and it still yet doesn't necessarily always play nice. There are edge cases. Buns the first real one. And so that's why I'm excited about bun. I'm not excited because it's really a year off before it's actually ready for any sort of real adoption. Hot take. Coming in hot. I think that's the risk too, right? Like you're coming in and you're saying you have all these things and it's dropping ready and you know, is a one-to-one replacement for node. And you know, I think that there's I'm sure that there are

instances where that's true. And Jared has been very responsive. I mean to his credit, he's been like tell us we're going to fix these things. He's basically saying we want to get to one. I'm releasing this. Start using it. And we're going to just go nuts and fix this. And man, never sleep. So I'm sure you will fix everything. You let him know. It doesn't have furniture. You can't sleep. But the but yeah, the risks there are how many folks are going to hit walls, not tell him, not reach out or in circumstances where they can't afford to go down that path together with them. And then he's lost them, right? So at that point, it's going to let's go back to what works.

I got to ship features. I've got to fix stuff for users. I have users. I got to keep moving forward. You know, so that I think that's the risk. I turn myself down. So I may have I I'm going to turn I'm going to mute myself. So am I good volume? Am I peaking or anything? Are we looking good? Sorry. Yeah, you're looking good. I keep getting a bunch of thunder. So I'm going to just start turning my you can't see that I'm turning. Yeah, just lose you here and there. I'm not bothered by the thunder to be honest. For your recording, I want a nice recording. Okay, I'm concerned about because you're going to really pump this episode, right? Like it comes out and you're going to be

like everybody listen to this. I had so much to say here. Ignore those other guys there. But they, you know, yeah, exactly. I kept getting interrupted by God. Don't worry, I'm not foolish enough to actually believe that. But yeah, your imaginary friend up in the sky. But he loves you. I love that George Carlin. So anyway, I know George Carlin. He's sorry. He was like, I just wasn't Generation X. I always thought I was should be Generation X. I'm just not Generation X. So I feel like I just don't got the George Carlin. It could be. I was born in 77. So I am Gen X. I'm in the heat of it. So you are you were the thick of Gen X. Listen, I've also cut out some sugar and calories and other

things. So not as thick. I need to do that like that. But I have not because, you know, bun is so hot. I'm going to get some bowel buns for dinner. So those are those are delicious. Yeah. Anyway, but yeah, I have this problem with like I was trying to update to astro three or I guess even an astro two is just an astro issue that is just not going to be fixed because they use V and like if you run dev mode, it works. And then if you run build, it doesn't. And I'm like, why is that ever a thing? They should run on the same thing and you should not be able to have a successful lap in dev mode and then have it blow up when you try to deploy it. That just sounds stupid to me.

It's because standards are hard and multiple standards are harder. Yeah. That's such an amazing one. Oh, hey, thank you. Oh, look at that. I'm sorry. This is not a mad. Hey, brought to you by Google. I got my new dude, my phone is so effed up. I know that the people, I don't even know if this is a video podcast or just an audio one. It is. There's we publish for you. Look at that beautiful, beautiful line down the center of my phone. Oh, wow. It's going to focus. Look at that. There you go. It's just like one giant line. It is very difficult. And I've had it for two months. And I find literally all I have to do is call a place

and go, I need a new phone and they go like this, well, you know, it's been a until you and I go, no, I work for Netflix. I need my phone right now and they go, oh, yes, you do. You already got the green flag. Okay, here you go. All I had to do is do that. And for three months, instantly improve your phone was not on the top of my to-do list. And so I finally did it. And here we go. I'm so excited. That's good. I'm glad it's bringing you joy. Marie Kondo would would approve of that move. But yeah, it's just not a phone usage is not a priority in your life. You're usually on much larger screen. So I believe that the computers are much better. You

know, a part of I get anxiety using the phone. I truly do. If something about it is just, I don't know what it is. It's just feel I get I get anxious. Scrolling is anxious feeling. I don't do scrolling on my computer the same way because you know, your mouse isn't as convenient. It kind of just makes you go, I don't want to do this. Yeah, plus there's other stuff to do on your computer. I mean, back to social media has only proven myself right. I like rage quit social media like five or six years ago and came back mostly to Twitter because reasons, you know, interacting, creating like connections for the podcast and you know, all of that kind of stuff. So just like felt

necessary. But I do find myself regressing back into that whole like, let's go on there. Oh, a couple of messages. Oh, what's going on? Scroll, scroll, scroll hour later. What the, it works. The algorithm works. It does. That's one thing where you know, if you'll notice that I don't reply to a lot of Twitter anymore and I'm trying to just peel myself back is that I just want to say things that are on the top of my head at that moment and nothing else. And if it doesn't work and no one wants to listen to me, that's fine. If it does work, also pretty neat. But that's kind of been my like strategy for the last little bit and I'm finding myself slowly

ramping down on Twitter usage just because it is it's, you know, like it's good to go look on there like I do try to go on there twice a day and just look to understand new new news articles. What are people thinking about? What's happening? And sometimes I use them in videos. Sometimes I just read them. Sometimes I watch the videos. It's just like I want to know what is like the most interesting thing at the time, but I do want to say that I don't know why other people use it. Like I literally do this for part of my living. I go on Twitter and I make statements about things or I go on YouTube and make statements about things or I go live streams and make statements about

things. You know, like a big tech live stream is like a hundred people. This last stream today, I just did today. I got 2700 people watching me make statements about things. So I know I have to be super careful about it and I have to be up to date. And so I'm like trying to make some sort of reasoning why I have to do research to it. And so I genuinely don't understand why you'd want to use Twitter outside of being someone who creates. And so I am confused about that side. Well, I'm going to make three statements. One is that you should be happy that folks use it for other reasons because they're consuming your statements. So fair,

because of that. But I still don't get it, but it's fair. Right. And then another one is I'm on there again, kind of for similar reasons, but not exactly. But again, to get like some context and sentiment and and fuel for the fire in some ways, I do envy that you just go drop a statement and go with it because both Robbie and my wife do not want me to do those things. They're like, that's in your head. Keep it there. And then for me, I'm a massive soccer fan. So there's at least a few times a year, minimally, that I need to be on there to get the gossip of what's going on and who's going to play for what team and all that kind of crazy stuff. So that's more of

like a it fuels information for my hobby that in no way benefits me or my family financially. Unfortunately, I haven't worked that out yet, but maybe I guess I get that a little bit better. Maybe you know, maybe I was a little rash on that. I guess if you are really wanting to understand JavaScript, you're just trying to steep yourself in it. It's a great place to go or go or oh camel or whatever you can see what people are doing. And you wouldn't even know about bun if you weren't on there. Right. And so maybe there is some value to it. Okay. I retract my statement. Maybe I get it a little bit more. But as a user, I just get anxious. Like maybe I'm

just not meant for it. Which is interesting to me because having watched your videos and like how much is happening simultaneously that you are really dialed into also, which is like crazy to me because like your live coding, there's there's stream. You know, there's live comments happening. You obviously have like what you want to talk about top of mind too. I've just and it's probably this I'm not able to multitask to that degree. And so you've got your music going. You've got that going behind you. You've got your stream of comments here. And it's just like it's almost like a DJ in a way. It's like a code DJ. And you're just dialed into all these inputs. So I don't know.

I don't know where I was going with that. But I just felt like there was a connection there. I would have followed up with the reason why I think that works out is that have you ever played a musical instrument? Not well. Okay. Robby does. He can. Okay. Have you ever tried to sing while playing your musical instrument? Yeah. He's shaking his head. Yes. Okay. Robby, thank you for the outstanding and very resounding. Yes. So you'll notice when you first start out doing it, it's like it's like you're competing against yourself. But then after some amount of time, it becomes very natural. It's almost like you have two tracks in your brain.

And your musical instrument, the more you know it, the deeper it becomes. The easier it is to do it, like it's almost like on a lizard brain side, right? You're just solving these things. You kind of know what you want to do. You know where you want to go. You know what you have to play. It's lizard brain side. And then you have the singing, which is like another part of your brain, which is like your listening side or something like that. I'm not really sure how to describe it other than that. And so when it comes to chat and stuff, I'm reading chat while programming because I already, Robby just he literally got up and left. He's like that. He can hear you. He's got why I was like

what I'm hearing right now. My dogs are barking, you know, closing the door. Okay. And so it's like when I, you know, when people say how do you do that? Oh, I just heard a dog now. But when people say how do you do that? It's the same thing. It's just that I've programmed for when I was first starting out from sophomore college year all the way up until about 2016. I was programming like 80 hours a week. So it's like I did a lot like I've done it so much. It just feels so second nature. When I hear a problem, I can just see the general steps I need to take and I just start just running, right? It may not be the best program, but it's going to get me from A to B. And it's

going to be okay, extensible. I usually don't try to build things to be extensible. I think that's always been a lie of our industry. And so I just build it to be okay. And that's my only goal. And I've gotten pretty good at that one shot. I bet I could write good enough code for this kind of mentality. And so I've just done it for so long that now talking with chat. It's like I'm singing. Like I'm playing my instrument. I have my path. I know what I need to do. I know I'm about to do myself a little minor seven. So we already know what's going to be coming up. So I'm going to be jumping on over to like, you know, so it's like I'm already kind of in in the space. And so now it's

just simply me talking while doing it. And it's just like a trained skill. It's like any other skill you get. It's just a trained skill. Yeah. I mean, I think you probably have a more trainable brain than I do. I was trying to learn like so Chuck and I both bought like the split keyboard, like the same one you have, I think. And like, I'm like, this is abandoned 360, but we use token prime prime 360. Yeah. It's the best keyboard in the market. So I used it for like a couple days. And I was like, I mean, I like that my wrists don't hurt, but I'm so slow. I can't like get work done. So I had to like go back to another keyboard to get work done in time. And like, I guess

I need to spend more time outside of work messing with it or something. But like, it's like how long did it take you to get used to it? Okay. So this is going to sound completely arrogant and mean. It took approximately zero seconds to get used to it. Okay. So I am a fairly good type. I, you know, even in my old age 37, I'm still typing plus young and plus hundred words per minute. So that's pretty fast. And that's on a canesis with pinks by the way. These are pinks. So they're kind of heavier. You know, they have that side. They're very thunky, very heavy. And so it's like, I can type pretty fast. And so when I jumped onto this, it was pretty natural. The thumb,

it's a little strange at first. But you know, when you force yourself to do something, Jay, when you force yourself to do something for 60 hours in a week, you're going to get good at it. Right. Right. Just force yourself to do it. And so after 120 hours, everything felt completely normal except for one thing, which was the difference between I used a Vorak by the way. And not only do I use the Vorak, you can go on my GitHub and you can see a custom Devorak that's designed for a laptop. And I moved it over to the canesis. So V and forward slash are right next to each other. And I kept hitting V and forward slash kind of like on accident. And so if you're on a standard

query, that would be this side, this, this style greater than or less than sign, whatever that, that would be the greater than sign and the open squarely brace. So like I kept mixing up those two keys. And that was the only one I ever struggled with. And then of course, thumb plus there's just being a whole new thing. Right. If you've never used a thumb cluster, it's the first time using it. Space and enter felt a little like I felt slow. But you know, I kind of gained speed and now it feels great. And so I just never like all the typing felt completely normal. And it was just a matter of the fact that I just I just use it all the time. You know, I've been typing since I was

like seven years old, eight years old. Yeah. I've been typing over a hundred words per minute since I've been nine. Wow. Well, I invented the typewriter. So you're old. You're like, do you know the dinosaur? Right. Do you know the dinosaur? There you go. Well, there you go, just keep at it. I think time and patience and just dedication and practice. And that's probably been a theme. Robbie, do you play the guitar? Do you know a major six? No, I'm not super trained in it. I just I know like basic chords. Okay. Go look up a major six. Kind of like in your your your your your first position. You know, like kind of like your E position. Whatever they call

it. There you go. Your E position, major six. You have to put your first chord two strings down on your D. You have to go one, one fret back. Then you have to do like this. Like it's just like the weirdest kind of positioning where all four fingers are engaged. When you first do it, it feels completely strange. But once you get done learning that little major six also then gets a lot easier and then it becomes pretty normal. And so it's it that's how I feel about a keyboard. It's just like it's just a new key. You already have all the muscle memory and talent available. You just got to kind of form it into the new thing and you're like, Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Now it feels

normal again. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. I think the biggest thing for me was like I kept reaching for back space and it was not there. So that was like the weirdest one. I was fine with pretty much everything else except for that the shape was a little weird because I'm used to a flat keyboard. But yeah. But you don't get that. You don't get the twist, right? That's where all the damage happens is pressure and a twist because if you know your physics, right hand rule, boom, torque vector coming out your wrist, you don't want all those things. Yeah. So it's just like prevents a lot of that from happening. You just listen to what was a fat stamina. And then you can do

you can do the twist. You know that song. Let's do the twist. I think that was fat stamina, wasn't it? I don't know. You don't know that song. I know the song. I know the song twist. I don't know who did it. I'm trying to think, are you saying that when you just did that little singing, it doesn't really feel like it was the right anything. So now I feel like I don't know it. I don't know any of the other words. I'm seeing the one where he's trying to convince the girl the dance. He's like, come on, I can do the twist. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm just not a good singer. No, neither of mine. That's why I didn't sing it. Okay.

Just letting you know, I just don't say. Yeah. This is a little personal thing. You know, there are things. There are limits that so there's that that's fair enough. I feel like, I don't know if we talked about this before, but if you were not in tech, we stripped away at career and technology. What would you do? Are you ready for my bizarre answer? Yes. Have you ever read the introduction to the problem of pain by CS Lewis? No. Obviously, familiar with the author, but I mean, everyone has heard of the line, the witch in the wardrobe. Darn it. Of course. I know through the looking glass. I've gone a little deeper in the catalog,

but yeah, not that one. Okay. So in the problem of pain, he kind of defines this term impossible. The problem is is we don't really think about that word impossible and impossible is not just a word that means something that can't be done. It actually comes with a pre-inserted unless. So he goes like this, if I broke in my leg and I'm sitting in the house and I would like to see the beach for my house, I cannot go see the beach. It's impossible for me to see the beach unless I have some friends come and help me go and see the beach for my balcony. Then he says, well, what happened if your friend asks, well, if time and space were available so that you could see

around corners, then you could see the beach from here. And then he says in retort, I don't know if time and space could ever be in such a way. It is impossible for me to even think about that, because the impossibility is built in of itself. It is an impossible question to answer. In the sense that it's called the intrinsically impossible. There is no one less clause, right? Like a classic example of an intrinsically impossible question is if God were all powerful, he could create a rock that's so big that he himself could not lift, right? It's impossible in of itself, because it suggests all powerful and a power in which can stop it. It doesn't make

sense. Nonsense is still nonsense, even if you're talking about God. And so with that pre-set into this, what would I be doing if I didn't have programming? I actually cannot answer that question because it is an intrinsic impossibility. I've only lived one life in one timeline. I can't tell you who or what I would have been without that. It's been such a huge part of me from the very beginning pretty much that I can't remember. I remember when I'm being five years old, trying to install the Doom extension to get at extra 100 levels, trying to figure out how to make it work on Windows 3.1 and not being able to figure it out, all that kind of stuff. It's like

that's all I can remember. You've never been without it. So do you think you'll ever be without it? There you go. There's a follow up question. There's retirement. Well, there's retirement in the sense that there's forced retirement. There will come a point, whether it's tomorrow if I get in a car wreck and can no longer use my upper body, or sometime in the future when I'm just too old to use my body, then yeah, there will come a point where something in me will be too damaged to be able to do stuff, or there's a life track in which I'm too bored to do it. And so, you know, like it just no longer does it. It just makes me feel empty.

And, you know, I think the reality is it's much more likely that I quit social stuff long before I ever quit programming because, you know, like just like this whole note thing that I mentioned up where there's a maintainer of note that he was very upset at me. At the end of the day, no matter what, I will get sick of this. I won't want to do it. I, you know, it's equally a drain on me as anyone else. And so, there comes a point where I want to do it. And so, I can foresee that in the near future much closer than anything else because it is just like open source, no matter how many people like you. There's a bunch of anties as well. And it just won't work out. You can say nice

things. They'll be considered mean. You can say mean things and people will cheer you on. It's like, it's, it's not a very healthy thing. And so, I see that as an ultimate future where no matter what, I will be done with all these things. When and how will happen. I don't know yet. I don't try to predict the future too hard. I just know it comes. I think you'll be missed when the mic drops. Mike ultimately will drop. Yeah. There you go. I try to give it the the most complete answer I could give. That's better than farming, you know, which was what I think people would have guessed. I literally have a bunch of, I'm up to like 25 raspberry plants, keep going, keep growing,

going to get like, I want to get up to like 20 blueberries, 20 raspberries, 20 blackberries, and a bunch of strawberries. I'm reclaiming more and more of my land that I live on for that one purpose. I was going to say there's something that's much more natural, probably more healthy for the human condition to touch, touch grass than it is to touch computer. I get that. It ain't easy. That's all there is to it. It's hard. And eventually you just can't do it anymore. You have to work through pain, tiredness, hotness, all that. I really had to, I just, I just, what you don't know how much I had to stop myself from saying pimping also ain't easy. It's a fact. We've been told

many times. Yeah, but then like beyond that. I know. I just, you know, jokes cover the pain, Robbie. We just, let me have it. At some point, this is why you don't get a tweet on your own. This is why I'm sorry. Now you understand where, where those who maybe care about me are coming from. At some point though, dry ice and a address in Phoenix. I don't know. I just docks myself. Maybe we'll be in my future. Who knows? I want some fresh raspberries. I could just come South Dakota though, I guess. You could. Golden raspberries next year. They're all dead now. It's, you know, it's, it's into the mid September. Everything's kind of dying. But, you know, what do you

use it for? Do you like can them or make jams or eating? Just eating them. Okay. Straight up. Yeah. This morning I walked out, grabbed six or seven of kind of like the remaining last holdouts, put them on my peanut butter and banana toast. Nice. Put a few of them on there. Yeah. Nice. It's delicious. As intended in their natural state. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We are at time here. Is there anything you want to plug or anything you want to mention before we end? You said you had other things you wanted to talk to me about. We never got to them. Right? Like actual spicy stuff. The, the takes that are actually spicy that I'm more willing to

get canceled over than anything else. Oh, okay. Well, I mean that I have been told don't talk to you about. That's fine. We can go there. But Robbie, I'm going to give Robbie a little bit of the floor before I ruin everything. Well, I just want to say you guys told me you're going to talk to me about like my takes on family and other things like that. Yeah. Yeah. The moral compass like essentially being a moral compass in tech and you know, are you, are you letting, letting the tiger go? That's what's going anywhere. No, I just totally edit this part out too. If you just feel like it's not going to work, but I'm, I'm willing to be honest and I'm willing to get

canceled right here. I feel like you've leaned a lot into like how bad porn is on the internet, which I think to a degree kind of fuels a lot of money throughout the internet and gives people pseudo anonymity until data breaches happen and whatever else. So I was just going to bring up some things around porn. I think you even made a funny comment that would have like been my lead-in and then I just didn't. So I think just it's interesting that you take a stance, a strong stance that could be controversial on a few different things. And I think porn is probably one of the biggest ones to be honest. Like porn does terrible things to people. Like you can go talk about how fake

sweeteners can cause generational anxiety and people will be like, oh, that's an interesting take and they'll move on with their lives. It's interesting because I think some people think that porn is a healthy outlet to a degree and something they can share with their partner and you are like, no, absolutely, it just provides nothing. It provides like probably like a falsehood of expectation. I think it's probably one like one of your biggest arguments. That would be one of my biggest arguments correct. Would you like me to expound it? Would you like me to expound upon all that stuff? I would like you to expound that. Damn, going in with the porn references already. All right, so

so first off, there's a lot of things here. I think one of the hardest parts is that you have to have like a moral reasoning for this because if I just say porn's bad, you're going to ask why? Why is it bad? Right? We live in a day. We kind of live in the cynical Pontius Pilate day and what I mean by that is when Jesus was there, he said something along the lines of I am truth and then Pontius Pilate says, what is truth? That's pretty much our day. If you could sum up our day and age, it's Pontius Pilate. What is truth? You say that. Why? There's not really, we kind of let go of all previous standards of

any kind and just say, okay, today is the day in which this is how the world ran is modernity. Modernity is the truth version of the world and that's kind of what we're going to run with. And so for better or for worse, I think there's some things that are really great about it and I think there's some things that are really harmful about it. And I think that sex positive work, the pornography thing, those aren't things that are very good about it. And what I mean by that is that as per the creator, the latest stats I've heard from some organizations is that most porn is created with sex slavery. That's not good, right? So from a peer just objective standpoint,

I think everyone can agree that's not good. That's not a positive perspective on anything. You know, if we live in a day in a world where we are told we shouldn't objectify women, right? You know, people that go up to women in their workforce and send them kind of like a pretty grotesque or really inappropriate email, you look at that and you go, man, that's not cool. But where or why do they think that that's okay? At what point has anyone ever said that that was okay? When you in and date, especially, I mean, men just tend to be the primary target of pornography. When you in and date, you know, men with that, they don't have a compass to know where the boundaries

at, how to even date somebody because it's just like, you know what the thing is, the nurse comes in and takes your temperature, your pressure and whoa, that's not the only thing under pressure, right? Like you have no, you like have no way of even knowing how to talk to a girl and there's all these young guys that they just they they're genuinely struggling with it erectile this functions the highest it's ever been among young men. We're not talking in like one percent, we're talking in several percent, which is just crazy to think about. When I was a young guy, I couldn't stop having a boner. I thought I had to go visit a doctor several times a week because

it lasted longer than four hours, right? Like that. And then the nurse came in and then it was taking care of. Okay, I do have a few and I want to play Devils Advocate play it all a little bit mostly because I used to be a porn star, but no, I'm just kidding. Classic really when you think about it. I know, but my wife could say otherwise. So yeah, I think that there's a few different points there. I think that when you talk about like the whole, oh, I think I can come into the workplace and I have, you know, I had I just know holds barred. I can sexually harass or I can a many other things. I don't know that sexualization is the limit on that. I think that like

this everything available all the time culture allows white supremacists to feel like they can awaken and outwardly put their views forth. Or, you know, I think there's a number of subject matters that that applies to. I obviously any kind of slavery, sexual slavery, child kind of abuse all those those things where there is a decent amount of porn created and and and like other subject matter like that's all terrible that aside. Yeah, but if you're in a circumstance where it was like regulated like it is in the Netherlands, right? Like you have this very specific it is a job people opt into there are safety regulations and all of that and if people choose to like partake

either from a provider or someone who wants that like that's their choice, right? I think from that perspective, I don't necessarily have a problem with it. I haven't just so the internet knows I haven't partaken in that. But you know, I've been to the Netherlands, you go down, you see like, oh, that's a funny thing. But you know, that that's a path people can take to on a second thing. Till you do you are talking the difference of prostitution versus pornography. Yeah, they are different. They are and but pornography can be the same too because there can be a regulated pornography industry as well. So I think that there could be that. It's it will always be different

in a sense that let's just play it out in our head, right? If you were to have a prostitution experience, you pay one person for an experience, maybe multiple people, whatever it is, right? You there's some experience that you have and then that's kind of the end of it. Whereas pornography is much, much different, right? It's a continuous, on-demand, highest most intensity. There's always more intensities. It's like constantly feeding you in a much, much different way. You're going from one person, next person, next person, next person, next person, right? There's that whole joke that when you're done, it's kind of like a dev solving a bug and a person getting

done with pornography are the same thing yet, the close 67 tabs. Why is that? Like there's some, there is something very, very different about it. You know, I just argue that the subject matter alone isn't necessarily the problem because I think that that's happening on a lot of outlets, right? Like, you know, I still think it is the problem. I would say that probably like in the most primordial, soup, goop, creation of all, all humans in life that for whatever reason for us, we can find artifacts of people 100,000 years ago buried just with their family. It's been a very like intense kind of like human experience to make it a very individualistic thing. Now obviously,

there's plenty of examples where people don't do it the right way, right? Obviously that happens all the time. You can find that in anything. No matter what you say morally, there's someone that does it differently, right? So it's, you know, this is always going to be, there's always it counter example. But people have always like throughout time have just experienced this is like a very intense thing like you could never until birth control in any of this. You couldn't just be doing that. Like if you got caught, that's why they called a shotgun wedding. You got caught in pregnant somebody. The father-in-law brought a shotgun and you got married or you got shot,

right? Like it's a real, real thing like this is nothing. Okay. But I think that's a societal and civilization constraint. And it is very much attached to religion because chemically, males, right? Like our reason for being is to procreate, right? Correct. To spread the seed regardless. And it is not necessarily to be committed to one other individual. That's a societal constraint. No, that's a religious constraint. It's not societal, it's lower will. That's there's a difference. Right, right. It's all societies. It's universal of society. Okay. But without those constraints and when you're in a place where you're just trying

to make sure that human beings continue to exist and that is like chemically what drives you as a human male to put humans as many as we can out there because we're getting eaten and whatever else it is, I do think that that is a societal constraint to a degree, right? Okay. Let me just throw out something else. Identical, almost identical thing in your brain. Almost perfectly identical. Do you eat another cookie after dinner? How many cookies do you eat? I'm not a sweet person. I eat all the french fries though. But okay, another version of carbs. How many french fries do you eat? Right? There's a higher will versus a lower will argument here. Your higher will says

I need to be healthy. I need to do the right choice. Like you know it. You feel it. You hear it people call it. You're conscious. You know the right things to do. And then there's the lower will, which is just like I'm an animal. I do what animals do. And that is you eat like my dog will eat until it throws up. We kind of have work, kind of we live in the weirdest parts, right? We're the highest version of creatures yet, which we have the ability to see our own pain. We have reason. The very unique thing that most than nothing else on planet earth can do is foresee their own pain. And so we can actually eat the fourth cookie and go, if I, you know, I've already hit the point

where I'm going to feel sick. If I have one more, I'm going to feel more sick. It's the same thing. But if you say about cookies and carbs, people are like, oh yeah, I get that. But if you say it about unbridled, just have sex with everything, everyone's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't say that. It's really the same desire. It produces the same things chemically. Besides for like that one chemical that's produced when you're breastfeeding, when you're having a baby, and when you're having sex besides for that one, whatever it's called patosin or whatever it is. Like besides for that one, it's like, you know, it's the same lower will type of like behavior. And I truly think that we are

we are higher will creatures. We organize in society. It's very unique. Like I'm not supposed to take your stuff. Why? There's not, there's really no moral grounding for you to say that if you don't believe in some absolute moral behavior, if you just say, oh, it's because it's good to be good to humans. You're like, why? And so it's like, I have just taken a more hard line stance, which is, I think the biggest thing you can do is to love one person. Find that person and love them. And sex is a part of that. It's the most intimate, most personal thing you can do on earth. And we can use that in any way we want. And it feels great to use it otherwise. Trust me in college,

would have disagreed with myself so hard right now. But nonetheless, it is the most intimate, most personal thing you can do. And as time goes on, the more you develop this relationship where you don't become one, you're not two individual people in a long term marriage, you slowly become one person, right? Like my wife and I, we act like one person. We are working together towards one thing. We are kind of, you know, not to be too biblical. We're like one flesh, two spirits. We're trying to become like always in line with each other. And so I think that that's just like, if I could redo some of those things, I would have told myself, it's not worth it. It's truly not

worth it to do those things. It will feel good in the moment, but it's not a long term victory. Yeah, but it is worth it because it not all those experiences drive you here, right? Because like you've said, it's linear. And if you change anything at the previous points of the line, it could change right now. So that's not worth it. True. The most unhappy I've ever been was during those times, but you have to be unhappy to get to this. That's true. But you don't like, you know, it's kind of like saying there's a big hole in the street in a dark. And we're going to let people fall into it because they need to know the holes there. You can also prevent the person from

falling in the hole and they'll know to avoid it, right? But we can let people have that experience themselves. And you know, the sad part is is you see a lot of people that are older wishing they could undo some of the things they did when they're younger, but we have no moral standing of any kind to say, Hey, you know what? Maybe you shouldn't eat that next cookie. Maybe you shouldn't just live this way. Maybe it's better to be a chased individual than it is to just chase after anything in which your lower will suggest is good. And so that's always kind of been my more. That's my humanitarian argument behind it because I am trying to make an argument without

appealing to a higher authority. If you're wondering because that's most people kind of observe that. Obviously, my belief in God and my big change and method action and all that has kind of fueled my thing. So I have more of an absolute morality in this position, but kind of stepping it back once, which is just making a pure human argument. That's my pure human argument, which is that you don't live a more prosperous life that way. You will ultimately not end up happy. And so it's like, I would rather try to prevent a huge amount of unhappiness than to say, you know what? That one person that actually is happy, which I still don't believe actually exists, but it will just say

exists. We'll let you keep going so everyone else can just suffer because of that one decision. I think that's fair. I think that you have a deep moral belief in that. Exactly. Very upset, by the way, and you guys, not me. Okay, I'm sitting good. Yeah, you're fine, you know, but saying, that's all right. No, I and I on purpose want to play like the counterargument, and you know, I'm actually very happy you did because it challenges B2 to make my arguments aren't that great. And it's very hard to make an argument that's not appealing to an authority, right? It's very easy to say, why don't you murder? Well, ultimately at the end of the day,

you can, you can boil it simply down to, you'll go to prison or you'll get the descendants, right? Like that's appealing to the high authority. It's actually just bad because they will kill you for it. Yeah, but you know, you have to make a moral justification for any argument you make, and it's very, very hard to do that. So I actually do appreciate you doing that because most people just call me an idiot or a misogynist or something like that. And that's never been my intention. Yeah, and that's so surface level anyway, that kind of insult. It's just like, oh, I read this one thing on the internet or maybe I saw, you know, 10 of your things on the internet and

looks like you're just an opinionated asshole. But the reality is is that there's a long path that has kind of taken you to these opinions and feelings. And your intent isn't necessarily to like, you know, call someone else stupid or immoral or whatever else. It's to like put forth what you think is worthwhile and take it or don't. But I think this is, you know, good advice. And you have to throw that into the ether. So you're not really crafting the advice for Robbie or Chuck or, you know, whatever, you're crafting the advice for Twitter person. And you don't know how that's going to be taken. Yeah, my general thumb is like, I wish I, so like my dad died on us seven.

I had nobody to guide me. My mom tried to be the best dad she could. She had to step up, be that person. But the reality is she could never be that person. She just didn't have it within her no matter she became very physically strong and literally lifted my brother off his feet when he was 17 years old. Like she, she had to lay a bunch of drywall. She became, she was a buff lady at 42, like right? She was tough. But she still couldn't be a dad. A dad can somehow speak into a young boy's life in a different way than a mom can. It's just, you know, I know some people get upset by that statement. It's just be a young boy and experience a dad talking to you. Like,

I remember when my dad did talk to me. And so I never had any advice ever after seven years old on how to live a life. What is good? What is bad? And so a large motivation for me even doing any of the social stuff is that I'm not trying to talk to everybody. I'm just trying to talk to that 20 to 25 year old guy that just doesn't know what he's doing because I dude, I was there. I was sad. I tried to commit suicide. I did a bunch of math. I did it all. Just trying to fill that void that just simply exists that exists in everybody. Like that, that, that thing that you can easily see it. We all live on the precipice of like really bad depression and horrible things. And some people

live on one side and some people live on the other side. And it's very, very sad. I just, I'd never had anyone to guide me. I had to make every decision myself at all times for what I thought was best. And I was an idiot when I was 14. That's the reality. That's just a dummy, right? And just like every other 14 year old that has ever existed, I was equally as smart as they were, which wasn't. You know, and I'm 37 years old. And when I'm 70, I'm going to look back at this moment, say, you just didn't understand. And I do get that point. And so maybe my views will change. Maybe I'll become less hard line on certain things. But my only goal is to be like the healthy version of

Andrew Tate. I would like to speak into young men and just say, Hey, you know, maybe it's good to just be someone who works hard, tries to be respectable, treat women right. Right? I'm being like the, I'm being like the anti-andrew Tate. I'm trying to be the healthy version. Yeah, yeah. No, I feel like that is the hottest take you've ever had. Please don't tweet that. Please don't tweet that. I know where you're going. I hear where you're coming from. I know people can't hear because they see Andrew Tate and I think it's evil. But there was an Atlantic article or maybe it was something else recently about like non-toxic masculinity. I'll find it. I'll send it to you.

But it is. It's sort of like you want to allow men to be men and encourage that, but you don't want it to be toxic in the ways that you're talking about. So I like totally, rock where you're going with there. And I mean, you know, I'm Gen X or Latchkey kid with a single mom. So Latchkey too. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm picking up what you're dropping there. Robbie had a silver spoon. You just didn't know what we're talking about. I believe they say a song for you, Robbie, about silver spoon. Yeah. Well, I love that show, though. So, you know, I think Robbie was, forget the characters, main characters. I know that

I'm talking about wonder years at this point. No, no, Jason Bateman was on the show with Ricky Schroeder called Silver Spoon. Okay. And he had a little like train in his house and everything else. Anyway, I was referencing CCR in their very famous song. Oh, yeah. Against the Vietnam War that says I wasn't born with the Silver Spoon in hand. Right. Yeah, because you got out of the draft. Yeah. Anyway, we massively digress. But I think it's a good subject matter. I'm glad we got to let this all out. I do have one quick thing that I want to ask about. What does your cup say? Oh, yeah. They give you this cup. Good. All right. Can I can I can I address one more thing before we go on?

So the reason why I say I'm not, you know, I don't try to target women specifically is that real talk. I don't understand women. I barely understand my wife. I'm just trying to understand her. I feel like women are very complex in comparatively to men. Most men want to blow stuff up. Like it's very pretty pretty one dimensional. So I have a cold differences. I feel like I just understand that feeling. It's like who I was. And I was, you know, I got to experience that for the last 37 years. And so it's not a dig against or anything. It's just I don't understand the market. And I don't want to try to pretend to understand it because I kind of feel like people

that pretend they understand. It's just so disingenuous and you can feel it. They say all the right things. But it's not honest, right? It's not from that honesty point of view. Whereas I like I can feel what it feels like to not be strong enough, right? Most women don't think about can I physically beat up this other woman, right? Like that's just not a thought you have. Whereas as a guy, that's a more common thought in high school, right? Is am I getting in a fight today? It's just like and so like I understand that line of thinking. And so that's the only reason why I target it that way. So there you are. I just wanted to prep so that just in case anyone's wondering.

As far as this one goes, it goes like this, I saved Netflix thousands of servers and all I got was this lousy mug. So when I was in my younger years, we had this service called Atlas. We still have the service called Atlas. And the originals team, we were just getting started. We just got done with our hit house of cards. People were loving it. We started making another original and then another original and all of a sudden we had 20 originals. Now remember, at that same point in 2016, if I'm not mistaken, or 2017. So at that point, we were actually releasing 100 originals that year. We also released that we are opening to every single country

worldwide in 2016, January 6th, 2016. I think anyways. So at that point, we had this really hard problem, which is we have original movies with high quality images on different canvases with six different box arts per video, because we wanted to do box art testing. On top of we had every single different language. So it's like a huge multiplication matrix like hundreds of them. What asset is missing is Casa de Pablo, commonly known as what is it called? It's called money is money is missing their asset in the Netherlands. Do you know? Do I know? So I said, okay, I'm going to figure this out. So I went in and kind of came up with this idea. If you don't know

what Atlas is, it's just like a super sophisticated gauge slash slash counter database. So it like kind of groups itself by time oriented databases. And so you put it in a bunch of metrics and it like saves that and then can count that metric. But the memory cost of it is combinatoric. So if you have, you know, if you have two items that have two items that have, if you have a field that has two items, another field that has two items, and one more field that has two items, the cost is eight, right? Because it's two times two times two. And so as that number grows, you can see that it explodes. And I caught in a couple places where we were logging like things we didn't care about.

Machine location was a US East, US West, EU West, US West one, US West two, right? There's like all these, you know, and so it's just like that's four times as much data, eight times as much data. And for every seven thousand, it cost us, I forgot like $10 a year. And so I found these metrics that were causing us like literally millions of dollars a year. And I said, hey, all right, so when I'm doing this, I also want to go back through and look at all these metrics we've been logging. This costs us about a hundred million dollars. Let's stop this. And so as a part of that effort, I got this incredible mug that says I've saved thousands of servers. And all I got was

this lousy mug given to me by the Netflix performance team, despite not being on the performance team, just simply sending a bunch of emails. But you know what? You still don't have a free account. I will literally never have a free account. It's a weird thing that, you know, whatever, yeah. It is, I don't think it's actually a weird thing. So hear me out on that one. Why is Netflix not giving it its employees a free account a weird thing? Let's just take Netflix's mentality, which is the no process process. Okay. So now you have accounts given out. Well, an employee worth $X dollars an hour every single time is going to have to sign up and make sure that their account

is linked. That is an hour. That is two hours with the emails. How many people does that affect per employee? Every person's going to have to go through that. You're paying these people top of market. Having people have their own accounts is going to be an enormous endeavor by Netflix. You're going to have to write it off for taxes. You're going to have to report it every year. You're going to have to have all these things no matter how much automation you have in place. Someone still has to check all those boxes. They're paid for it. Every individual employees paid for it. It just costs a lot of money. So why? It is $12 a month. It's $140 a year. They literally

in 2009 or something like that gave every employee a $120 bonus and just said, buy your own Netflix. We're done paying for you. It doesn't make sense. It literally doesn't make financial sense. I don't want your logic. I don't want your logic. I want you to answer why you cannot just as a benefit have this for free because that's what everybody thinks. They don't care about the money. It's the same reason that Amazon doesn't give you Amazon Prime as an employee. It also cannibalizes like whether they make money off of that specific one or not. It gets rid of the subscribe numbers. Yeah. It's like it's all a game. It's all a game. For us, it's not really big. We have

what? I forget how many members we last reported. 200 and some million people. There's like less than 14,000 people or something like that at Netflix that it's a wash in the bucket. It's 0.01%. What? I don't know how many members we have or how many employees we have crossed by how many members we have. I don't know those two numbers. I'm sure I can find out their exact number. I'm not going to find out their exact number. It doesn't need to. But I could. It's purely comes down to at Netflix, we will pay you enough money. Don't complain about the small things because it's people over process. Why don't we offer this people over process? That's it. Why do you have to

choose what your team is going to build you the developer? Why do you have to choose that people over process? You just simply need to solve aim low, make our product work better in lower bandwidth countries. You choose it, right? Like that's Netflix motto all the way down to like a kind of like a nutshell, which is you do the right thing. I tell the story a lot. So Netflix got into a cloud gaming. I don't know if you've seen any of the articles on that. We were actually, we have a bunch of a few countries testing out some cloud games. They're trying things out. So kind of like imagine Stadia in some sense. Yeah. But please bring back stuff. They're doing

something like that. It's nothing like Stadia, but you can imagine it's something like Stadia, right? Live games you play from your controller on Netflix, blah, blah, blah. We've had hundreds of thousands of people go into it right now. We're kind of keeping the thing fairly smaller. What I forget what number it is. I just say hundreds of thousands because it's a large number. It's larger than 1000. It's less than 10 hundred million. Let's just say that. That seems about the right audience amount. And so with that kind of in mind, we have to like solve a bunch of problems. There's a bunch of problems. We have 50 people or whatever working on this problem.

Huge undertaking. But someone has to solve all these problems. So my boss has been talking about it. So instead of doing my day job, I just completely ignore all my tickets. And I say I got an idea. I start grabbing data from these different databases, real-time databases, offline ones, these big data and hive and all this. I start aggregating information in like a week and a half later. I go into a one on one with my boss after lying for like a week and a half that I'm working on stuff. And I say, hey, check this out. I say play a game right now. He plays a game and I go, okay, give me that game, you know, UUID and he gives me the UID. And then I go, okay, let's start

the one on one. So we start talking because I know big data. It has it has some time thresholds. It takes like 10 minutes to update. You know, it's it's big. It has a trillion rows per hour or whatever it is. So I'm just waiting for a little bit. It goes on. We talk through it and he goes, okay, why'd you made me do that? I go check this out. Put it in. Run my command line tool. It's like your game was successful. You played for this law. You had this many video frames. You had this much different differentiate. It's just what it went all the way through. I'm like the auto doc. We're going to auto doc games. We don't have to think about it. We're just going to make

everything work right off the rip. He's like, you're working on that full time. That's what you're doing from here on out. That that that was our meeting. That's all it took is me just showing him that it's possible to auto doc and nobody else planned that. No one else thought of it. I just happen to be the first person to take 10 different people's data sources and put them into one and just go the auto doc. That was my job for the last eight months that Netflix was just auto docking and making an hyper triage tool where anybody should be able to triage a game in 10 seconds. What happened? Why did fail? Why was it good? Was it bad? Why was it bad? That's kind of Netflix's

model. That's why we don't pay for subscriptions in some sense is that you choose your own destiny. What is your destiny at Netflix? Is it a destiny where you don't do things? Or is it a destiny where you create your own future? I'm working on a new project. I can't talk about that new project, but nonetheless, I'm working on a new project where again, it's a create your own destiny kind of project where it's just like, I can see what we're doing. Here's what I can offer. I will offer a new perspective. Let me show you. I love that. I love that more than anything else. It's the reason why I continue and I will continue to always work at Netflix for as long as I can

because it's not some corporate BS machine, though we do have corporate BS like every corporation ever created. I just think we have less of it, right? Did I document anything I created? Yeah, there's a couple documents. I never really wrote a Google doc, but I created some documents. You know, like I created some readme.mds and coded up some some triple hashtags for titles, but like that's about what I did. And so that's why I just love that. I just love that. I mean, PRDs have you written more than one. Oh, well, there we go. Actually, I didn't get that. I thought it was a PRDs nuts joke. I thought you're about to drop a DS nuts joke. I was I was ready.

I was just like, Oh, more than what? I wish I had. I live on the internet. I dropped the ball on that. I die of like three times a week. So you just got, you know, I'm ready. I'm ready at all points. I really do have to jump off for dinner here. So yeah, anything you want to plug and you want to tell people how to find you or anything like that? Socials of YouTube, Twitch, all those things going great. If you want my long form takes, Twitch or YouTube are better. If you want my short form, really, truly incomplete takes, you got to go on Twitter because Twitter is not a place for complete takes. It's never been a place for complete takes. It's just a place for

stream thoughts. And so there you go. All right. It's like a notepad, ongoing notepad. Yeah, I don't treat it any other way. It's so if you want like my raw thoughts, Twitter's probably better, but it's very incomplete, very incoherent. That's fair. I'll keep it that way, you know. All right, then I totally get if we take out the porn section, by the way, and you know, it's it's a weird section to have in there because I feel like the arguments incomplete, no matter how I make it without appealing to a higher authority, you know, it's very hard conversation to have. Plus, Robbie hasn't said anything this whole time. I feel bad for Robbie. Well, you know on the talent.

So yeah, yeah, Chuck, Chuck dominates the conversation, but that's that's fine. I can help it. Can we all say thank you to William Dalton? Yeah. Yeah. Thanks to my guy, William. This was a really great whiskey. I'm happy with my six and a half rating out of eight. That's what she said. If only I could have a six and a half rating ever. No, I literally chose this out of visuals, right? I think I picked this. Didn't I pick this? There you go. I mean, if you guys want to keep talking about random shit, we can just like take takes for later like out of it if you want. Like I have to go, but you can hang out if you want. I have to pee. All right. So there is that. But I do like this,

and I don't know. I think we should do it in the semi-regular cadence. I don't know. It's fun. Or whatever, whatever you think. That's you prime. I have no problem if you need a couple more hot takes. I always have hot takes, but if you don't want to do it, feel free. The DJ and Legion loves anything I do. And so I know that it will be great for you guys. I think they're very excited about it. I think you guys are great. I love the fact that you challenged me only. I don't even know if you agree with me. I just love the fact that you did that. So it doesn't really matter whether I agree with you or not. I love that. I

don't want to be honest. I love that. I just want to have that combo. No, I just really have to go the restroom and all that kind of stuff. So, but I want to talk more to you in the future and kind of help you out and all that. You can do it again. All right. Cool. I'm coming to South Dakota. See you soon. Yeah. No, literally you can't. If you actually send me a message and just say, hey, I'm coming to South Dakota, me and the fam are going to come see Mount Rushmore, whatever. Just let me know. We have a room upstairs for you. And then the kids go downstairs to the just the Thunderdome. That is the kid's zone. And they have their own room in which they can figure out

what they need to do. And then you can go off. We'll give you a car. You can go drive around all that kind of stuff. I love it. I love it. If you have enough for a Jeep, then we can put you in the Jeep. If you don't have enough for a Jeep and it's just you and your wife, I'll give you the plow truck. So that way you can say, snows not the only thing I'm plowing. And then point to the field and say the field could also be plowed if I really wanted it to be. Yeah. There we go. I love how you try to make my Twitter better. Yeah. All right. All right. Have a good one. Yeah. Ciao. Thank you.

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