176: What Makes a Christmas Movie? Plus, a Toast to New Beginnings

[00:00:00] Intro: Welcome to Syntax. Welcome to a brand new episode of the Front End Happy Hour podcast. Welcome to this week’s JS Party. Live from Ship Shape Studios, this is Whiskey Web and Whatnot. With your hosts, Robbie the Wagner, and me, Charles William Carpenter III. That’s right Charles. We drink whiskey and talk about web development.

[00:00:27] I mean, it’s all in the name. It’s not that deep. This is Whiskey Web and Whatnot. Do not adjust your set.

[00:00:36] Robbie Wagner: It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas. We both have sweaters on.

[00:00:44] Chuck Carpenter: That’s true. Christmas sweater. I’m representing the,

[00:00:46] Robbie Wagner: I thought you would wear that one, so I wore this one.

[00:00:49] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, nice. That’s very, that’s very considerate of you. I’m so not used to that. , But yeah, I

[00:00:54] I do .Yeah. You have to, let me think about my co-host a little more. And [00:01:00] what, how do we coordinate our outfits? anyway, welcome everyone.

[00:01:03] We are, are we live streaming? We are live streaming, right.

[00:01:07] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, we always do for shits and giggles.

[00:01:10] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, to see if anybody’s, like, hangin out and wants to talk to us while, , we bullshit and talk about whiskey. So, anyway, we’ll see how that goes. Welcome anyone or no one, whomever it may be at this time. , this will be our final recording of the year

[00:01:26] Robbie Wagner: ironically, if you’re not listening live, you’ll probably hear this in like, February, and it will make no sense. Maybe we can move the schedule around a little so that it’s a little earlier.

[00:01:36] Chuck Carpenter: There you go. Here, see, you can see how the sausage is made right now. You will, uh, , we on the fly make, , adjustments as needed to the show. , alright, so, speaking of adjustments, , something creamy coming our way today.

[00:01:49] Robbie Wagner: today is the Cream of Kentucky, which of course was Chuck’s birthday. Nickname in high school, and, uh, [00:02:00] Yes.

[00:02:02] Chuck Carpenter: But, uh, yeah, I’m gonna make the jokes here. So this is the cream of Kentucky cask strength. , and it has a mash bill of 72 percent corn, 18 percent rye, and 10 percent malt.

[00:02:18] What’s the age statement, Robbie?

[00:02:19] Robbie Wagner: Nass.

[00:02:21] Chuck Carpenter: Nah, it’s not age stated. , and a whopping 106. 4 percent Or not percent, that would be fucking crazy. Uh, proof.

[00:02:30] Robbie Wagner: Over a hundred percent

[00:02:31] Chuck Carpenter: Over 100. It’s alcohol, uh, 100 percent of the time. Even more so. Anyway, alright, let’s I’ve, uh, put myself in a very constrained, , setup today. As, , many of you

[00:02:47] Robbie Wagner: Where are you? Are you at the, uh, co working space?

[00:02:49] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, I’m in the last days of my co working space and utilizing their, quote unquote, podcast room. One more time, the podcast room is really out of my backpack. And this is just a [00:03:00] quiet, dark space.

[00:03:00] I’ve got a lot of things in my life in flux, and so I am not going to be subsidizing this co working space anymore. And, pretty much probably like recording from home and just having better boundaries with my family, that is the idea. , fingers crossed, but we’ll see. Hmm, a little cherry on the nose for me. But not like real cherry, like cherry like, you know those like candy cherry cough drops? Like the fisherman’s ones or something like that? Yeah, it’s like that kind of cherry flavor.

[00:03:31] Robbie Wagner: yeah, I’m not sure if I’m getting cola or not, but it’s definitely the cherry from a cherry cola kind of smell. Trying to see if there’s some cola there.

[00:03:40] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, cherry like flavors.

[00:03:42] Robbie Wagner: a little.

[00:03:43] Chuck Carpenter: I could be convinced of that a little bit. Oh

[00:03:45] look,

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[00:03:45] Robbie Wagner: my mic and I’m now just slamming my glass into it over and

[00:03:48] over.

[00:03:48] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, see that’s, I’m also very close, , in proximity to my mic. So now I have to like, and then there’s this tiny table here. I should take a picture and share it with folks.

[00:03:56] But there’s, it’s kind of a small round table with a lot of crap [00:04:00] jammed onto it. And, , with the mic here, I find myself like reaching, you know, doing the old reach around with the cream of Kentucky here. So.

[00:04:08] Robbie Wagner: God.

[00:04:08] Chuck Carpenter: right, I’m gonna, I’m gonna prime my palate on this. Yes, uh, folks get yourself ready for a creamy episode.

[00:04:15] Mmm, creamy. okay. gonna get funny with you on this one. So I’m getting like, not, instead of cola, Do you know those like, root beer barrel candies? That root beer flavor and it’s like in a little barrel shape?

[00:04:31] Robbie Wagner: not sure that I know those specifically, but I’ve had some kind of root beer candy before, and I see what you’re going for. I

[00:04:37] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, it has a little bit of that. And I’m still getting kind of like that cherry flavor, but like an oaking, you know, a woodiness with that cherry flavor on the finish. So it starts out slight root beer, and then kind of gets into like a little cherry flavor, and then something else there. Mmm, nutmeg, maybe?

[00:04:54] Something like that.

[00:04:55] Robbie Wagner: I could be persuaded to say that. It kind of tastes like, , [00:05:00] getting a little bit of like gum that’s lost its flavor. Like the ends of a bazooka gum.

[00:05:05] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, like the actual gum itself, like what that tastes like when the flavoring goes away. Which is, yeah, I don’t even know what to align that with, but I kind of

[00:05:15] Robbie Wagner: just kind of like vague candy shop. Like, uh,

[00:05:18] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:05:19] Robbie Wagner: root beer candy sat next to some gum and absorbed all the flavors. And like, yeah, I mean, there’s like confectionary something in there.

[00:05:28] Chuck Carpenter: so it’s interesting. Maybe even some slight cinnamon on the finish now that it kind of sits, like, in my throat a little bit. Little hug, not too crazy. Given the proof of it, you know, that’s nice. It’s just enough without being nuts. I, I, I hope my heartburn won’t go nuts, , later on. That’s always of concern, of course, when you, , basically burn your insides out at least once a week. but yeah, so.

[00:05:51] What do you think? Are you willing to rate this bourbon?

[00:05:54] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, , this one was pretty cheap, right?

[00:05:57] Chuck Carpenter: No, actually it

[00:05:58] wasn’t. No,[00:06:00]

[00:06:00] it was, uh, it’s about a hundred

[00:06:01] Robbie Wagner: the label, certainly didn’t cost them much. So

[00:06:06] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, well it is actually, what’s funny about the naming of this and, , it is an old brand that’s been revived. So it’s just like one of those where

[00:06:14] Robbie Wagner: they probably used the old label too,

[00:06:17] instead of making it cool.

[00:06:18] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, so very simple branding and everything else. , yeah, it’s a Crestwood bottled for JW Routledge. Crestwood, Kentucky, which is an interesting thing.

[00:06:29] , I’m not sure I know exactly where Crestwood is though. There was a Crestview Hills near me. Um, no Crestwood that I can think of.

[00:06:36] Robbie Wagner: So with this being more expensive than I thought, It’s not my favorite. I think it’s a little bit high rye for bourbon Maybe like i’m getting some spice which I do like but I don’t know that it’s working well together.

[00:06:49] Chuck Carpenter: Right

[00:06:50] Robbie Wagner: But it’s also not terrible it feels a little young I don’t know.

[00:06:53] There’s something there’s like harshness that I don’t love and I can’t really put my finger on it For that i’m gonna say [00:07:00] five

[00:07:00] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, like like maybe that’s a good point I want to think of it from from the perspective of okay. It’s like a hundred dollar bottle like give or take mean it is smoother than I might expect from Yeah, being a little higher rise. There’s a lot of corn in there though, too and Such a high proof But the flavors that I pick up are just very, I mean, they’re distinctive of other flavors that are artificial to me.

[00:07:26] And that is, makes it feel a little cheaper in a way. so it’s not bad. It’s, sippable, but then it starts to get a little too much cinnamon and too much these weird extra flavors for me to be like, Oh yes. mean, I would easily pick up, like, a 60 bottle of Old Forest or 19. 20, 60, 70, wherever those are at now, over this.

[00:07:46] So, given that comparison, yeah, it was kind of like, four and a half, five, so I’m gonna say four and a half, just to be my own man.

[00:07:54] Robbie Wagner: All

[00:07:55] Chuck Carpenter: don’t, you don’t, you don’t, drive for me, you don’t tell me what to do.

[00:07:59] [00:08:00] Okay.

[00:08:01] Robbie Wagner: Alright, we have some real spicy hot takes for this special Christmas edition and we’ll just jump right in.

[00:08:09] Chuck Carpenter: Oh,

[00:08:09] Robbie Wagner: Bing Crosby or Frank Sinatra?

[00:08:13] Chuck Carpenter: I mean, there’s no question here. Frank Sinatra. Oh, Blue Eyes. All day long. Yes.

[00:08:19] Robbie Wagner: see, I am on the other side.

[00:08:22] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, this doesn’t

[00:08:23] Robbie Wagner: I think I like Frank Sinatra and I, you know, I think he had a lot more, You know, you can listen to him more. Yeah, and more things other than like Christmas time, I guess. but, Bing Crosby, I think, killed it for Christmas time.

[00:08:39] Like one of the best Christmas albums.

[00:08:41] Chuck Carpenter: So you didn’t explain the constraints here. For Christmas

[00:08:44] Robbie Wagner: Yeah,

[00:08:45] yeah.

[00:08:45] Chuck Carpenter: what you mean?

[00:08:46] Robbie Wagner: Yes, this is all Christmas related.

[00:08:49] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. Uh,

[00:08:50] Robbie Wagner: have clarified.

[00:08:51] Chuck Carpenter: I mean, because in general, I’m gonna pick Frank. But, might have a point. concede that Bing Crosby [00:09:00] has the better Christmas catalog. Not even just like better, just like Everything you know and love, kind of thing.

[00:09:06] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, there’s uh, I have his I don’t even know what it’s called. It’s just some christmas album, but it’s like all bangers Whereas like frank sinatra’s is like half bangers

[00:09:17] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, he was full bangin I tell you that. All cream from him.

[00:09:21] Uh,

[00:09:22] Robbie Wagner: fan of the cream of kentucky

[00:09:24] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, that’s right. Actually, Jack Daniels, as we know, since we have the Jack Daniels, , Frank Sinatra edition. Overrated. Anyway.

[00:09:31] Christmas trees, real or artificial?

[00:09:33] Robbie Wagner: This is a good senior engineer question because it depends for ease You You just get it out. It’s right there. You don’t have to go anywhere to get it. Also, I think there’s more of an argument for them now because real trees have become insanely expensive. Like you could get an artificial tree that looks nice for the same price.

[00:09:54] Chuck Carpenter: exactly.

[00:09:55] Robbie Wagner: cause like we went and cut one down and like did that whole thing and it was like, [00:10:00] 164 or something and I was like, wow, that’s expensive. It must be because we went to cut it down and this whole experience and whatever. And then we were at like just a normal nursery that had like a bunch of pre cut ones and they were like 199 plus.

[00:10:12] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, wow.

[00:10:14] Okay, that is quite a jump. It was.

[00:10:17] Robbie Wagner: yeah. I’m like, I didn’t get any experience from this. I just walked up and like, I guess it’s the difference being maybe that they have to ship them there. Yeah. Because if you go cut it down yourself, there’s no shipping cost. I don’t know, but I was like, yeah, that’s, that’s way too much.

[00:10:31] Like at that price, I’m going to definitely say artificial.

[00:10:34] Chuck Carpenter: I mean, it’s been a minute since I, we have an artificial now, , and we have for a few years. We got, uh, a nice one, I forget, it’s like some online site, like, Balsam Hill.

[00:10:45] Robbie Wagner: Blossom Hill. Yep. Those are the nice ones.

[00:10:47] Chuck Carpenter: you’re right, so we got one of those, like, invest in a nice, it has a good look, you know, it’s like, I do think, it’s like a bunch of things.

[00:10:55] It’s nice to go and have that experience, but like, would I go do that all the time? real trees [00:11:00] are nice because they smell great, but there’s all the mess, which is annoying. There’s the disposal of, which is kind of annoying. I mean, the city of Phoenix has free tree disposal, so you just like, take it over and they do the rest.

[00:11:11] Which is better, but it’s still some hassle. You gotta load it up and do all that crap. so, it’s a thing like Oh, I’d have this experience once, but I just, I’m not gonna keep doing that shit.

[00:11:24] Robbie Wagner: They also have a major downside of if you have dogs in the house, they smell it and go, Hey, this is a real tree. Just like outside. Let me pee on it.

[00:11:32] Chuck Carpenter: right. Yeah. Uh, I don’t have that problem with kids, so lucky for me. But, mean, I think we had one before when we actually did have cats. Cats still resided with us at some point or something. And they, of course, again, think it’s a real thing and they want to get up in there. Everything else, too. So, meh.

[00:11:51] in general, then, I think the answer is artificial trees. But, you know, enjoy your experience if you’d like, once or twice.

[00:11:58] Robbie Wagner: yeah, I think it’s worth doing [00:12:00] the experience, especially with kids, like, maybe once, like, otherwise, don’t worry about it. It is a big hassle. Keeping it watered is a problem too. We have an automatic waterer, but it’s, uh, it’s finicky because like, I just strapped it to the branch, right? And it’s sitting in there.

[00:12:15] And when it gets dry, it adds more water. But if it moves down, Then it won’t be putting water in enough because it’s like falling down in a little bit more so , it’s been dry a lot, but you know, whatever we’re gonna throw it away before too long. It’s

[00:12:29] not a

[00:12:29] Chuck Carpenter: exactly. It’s kind of like, as soon as you can, to a degree. But, uh, I think we end up usually taking down Christmas stuff. Like, New Year’s Day, or shortly thereafter.

[00:12:42] Robbie Wagner: You’re quick about it

[00:12:43] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, yeah. Like, okay, this is sort of like, we enjoyed it a little more, we’re out. so I guess that answers the question.

[00:12:50] You have a real tree.

[00:12:51] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, well

[00:12:52] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:12:54] Robbie Wagner: We have five trees. We have one real one and four artificial ones[00:13:00]

[00:13:00] Chuck Carpenter: That’s, yeah, that’s, that’s, you really like this holiday, it’s

[00:13:03] Robbie Wagner: Yes, christmas is big at our house and we start decorating november 1st mostly inside so that people can’t see that we’re crazy people that do that. yeah, we have insane amounts of decorations, and then when we take them all down, it’s like, Wow, the house looks terrible now. Like, this all looks really good.

[00:13:20] Chuck Carpenter: Let’s just leave those up all year round. Like,

[00:13:23] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, so we do, we leave it up until probably, sometimes like February, before we even bother taking it down.

[00:13:29] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, you’re still like wary wintery and you’re inside more and enjoying that, I guess, I don’t know.

[00:13:34] Have you recorded a new tune this year?

[00:13:37] Robbie Wagner: No. No, I didn’t have time. I mean, I technically, you know, everyone actually has time when they say they don’t have time, but you know what I mean. Like, I had other things I would rather use my time for, like the Diablo Christmas event, which I have been playing.

[00:13:52] Chuck Carpenter: So, you’ll have to put a pin in that for, for some whatnot I guess, cause I have no idea what that is, but

[00:13:57] that’s,

[00:13:57] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, it’s not that exciting, but I’ll tell you later.

[00:13:59] [00:14:00] yeah, so a Christmas story or Christmas vacation?

[00:14:02] Chuck Carpenter: That is a very, very hard question. , I think at different points in my life I would have had different answers. , I don’t know. I have always loved A Christmas Story. Like, I, even as a little kid who probably shouldn’t have been watching that. watched it a ton, loved it. So funny, you’ll shoot your eye out.

[00:14:20] I mean, it’s, it’s amazing. Christmas vacation, is always kind of in favor just because my wife’s maiden name is Griswold. And so anything Griswold, , gets a decent amount of rotation and she’s got all the t shirts and stuff. It’s a beaut, Clark, you know, that kind of stuff. , but I remember in high school, actually, which is, if you think about it, it’s like a little weird, but in high school, when you have like that last week before winter break, and basically your classes are almost nothing, you’re just there for, to run the clock out.

[00:14:51] And All over the school, they would, for the TVs in each classroom, they would be playing, they would just broadcast it to the whole school. [00:15:00] So it was like ad nauseum for my whole high school time. And you’re like, isn’t that a little weird? Yeah. Shitter’s fool. You know, that kind of stuff. And maybe it was like the, uh, you know, made for

[00:15:12] Robbie Wagner: the edited version. like that. Yeah

[00:15:14] Chuck Carpenter: that’s possible. But at the time I was like, I am so sick of this movie now. So there was a while where I, probably a good decade where I was just like, nah, I’m good. But, now that it’s on again in rotation, I think it’s hilarious, and you quote it, and like, yeah, yeah, so it’s, I don’t know, I got a challenge there.

[00:15:32] I’m just, I’m not picking. That’s what I, I say. I’m not picking. Do you have a favorite?

[00:15:37] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I like Christmas vacation better Don’t

[00:15:41] Chuck Carpenter: You

[00:15:41] can’t relate to growing up in the 50s, or, that’s, is that the problem, or?

[00:15:45] Robbie Wagner: No, I think it’s just it’s the way a Christmas story is like narrated. I don’t know. I just don’t like that. I like it just to be more like, you know, we’re videoing these people doing stuff. Not like, narrated stuff, setting up scenes. [00:16:00] I don’t know. yeah, and I mean they’re both good for sure. I’ll watch both probably every year.

[00:16:05] We definitely always watch Christmas Vacation because Caitlin loves that and, but she’s seen it so much that she just falls asleep and doesn’t watch it anyway, so.

[00:16:13] Chuck Carpenter: that’s kind of funny. Yeah, I want to get to parts and like, make jokes and do quotables and all of that. Yeah, our kids have Well, and there you go, I’m a hypocrite, but , our kids have watched both of those movies, for sure.

[00:16:24] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I mean, there’s plenty of them that are edited if you care, but they’re not, not that terrible. I mean, they have a few words you might not want your kids saying, but,

[00:16:33] Chuck Carpenter: okay, so,

[00:16:34] Is Die Hard a Christmas

[00:16:36] movie?

[00:16:36] Robbie Wagner: hmm.

[00:16:37] Chuck Carpenter: I say yes

[00:16:39] I agree. I think it is as well. It’s a great time to watch it and I like that being put under this categorization has given, like, just maintained its respect over time. You know? Cause there’s some, like, old action movies you kind of get forgotten about.

[00:16:53] But the fact that it’s, like, under the, Christmas movie category, like, [00:17:00] helps keep it alive. And so, and I like the cheese of, like, old action films, too. Cause I like a bunch of old, like, Arnold Schwarzenegger ones, too.

[00:17:07] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, yeah, I watched, , all four diehards last year because, , Caitlin’s family was here and Odie would kill them. So I was downstairs with the dogs and the first one, like they had a marathon and I got in it on the first one. I was like, well, I might as well watch all of them. , so it was like, you know, like 10 hours straight or whatever.

[00:17:25] But it’s, it’s good. Yeah, I don’t know, like, people that say it’s not a Christmas movie, like, what do you even define a Christmas movie as, right? it’s a movie that usually happens around Christmas. There’s some Christmas decorations involved. , maybe a Christmas song or two. you know, like, Hallmark movies aren’t inherently around a Christmas theme.

[00:17:44] They’re more around, like, a love story or whatever. There just happens to be Christmas around. So I would argue it’s for sure, like, I don’t see how people Can say it’s not, you know?

[00:17:54] Chuck Carpenter: Right, right. And there’s, you know, they’re just delivering the message a little differently. So, what’s wrong with

[00:17:59] that?

[00:17:59] Robbie Wagner: Mm hmm.[00:18:00]

[00:18:00] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, that’s a fair assessment. I, I can tell you’ve put some thought into this one. So, that’s good. You’re like, I’m adding this because if I get it, I’ve got a great answer.

[00:18:09] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. Okay. So this one because I’ve thought about this a lot, so I want to see how you feel. Are gift cards a good present or just lazy?

[00:18:19] Chuck Carpenter: It depends. So, context matters, right? I think they’re good for, you know, maybe if you’re doing some sort of, like, office gift exchange or, you know, something where it’s like, you just, you can’t pick a good gift and it’s, you know, there’s some ambiguous constraints on it or something like that. Like, that’s probably a decent one and then, you know, or as a prize or something like that, a gift in that way.

[00:18:46] I think from, like, close family. It would be a hundred percent lazy. It’s like, really? You don’t know me well enough to, to do something? Yeah, so, in those circumstances, I don’t like it. I’d be like, well, you [00:19:00] just don’t know. Just, I don’t know. Don’t bother, I guess.

[00:19:02] Robbie Wagner: Well, yeah, so. I agree it depends. I think especially as like a younger person, like I’m trying to get a gift for a 20 year old that’s like a cousin or uh, whatever. thinking back to when, you know, I was that age and thinking about what I would want, like Amazon gift cards would be just fine because, Honestly, if you get me a thing I don’t want, just because it kind of fits what you think my personality is, I would rather just have funds to spend on whatever I need at the time.

[00:19:34] so yeah, I, I do think it depends. I think I’m mostly like 75 percent agree that you should not do gift cards, especially for people that you know pretty well. but I think there are exceptions where like certain people would just rather have that.

[00:19:48] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, I, I agree with that. I think that that falls into the bucket of You know, I don’t know well enough, like, what a good gift for you is, but, you know, we’re in this [00:20:00] circumstance. You’re in a familial circumstance where you, like, draw names or something, you know. Maybe sometimes that’s, like, a good instance.

[00:20:07] , but in general, like, yeah. like, if I got a gift card from my wife, I would be very displeased. Not that she would ever do that. So, not throwing her under the bus. but

[00:20:17] Robbie Wagner: I shouldn’t throw anyone under the bus, that would

[00:20:19] hurt.

[00:20:19] Chuck Carpenter: there’s some people I’d like to throw under the

[00:20:21] bus.

[00:20:22] Robbie Wagner: Ooh, who?

[00:20:25] Chuck Carpenter: We’ll step away and find out. , yeah, your your headphones are wireless, but welcome to the Charles William Carpenter the third show Now that I’ve taken over completely we can get wild with the cream and not just like in a cash rules everything around me way, you know and There’s so many interpretations there.

[00:20:47] I did forewarn Robbie

[00:20:48] there

[00:20:48] Robbie Wagner: man, now Jake is just

[00:20:50] Yeah, so speaking of jizz jokes, this is probably a good

[00:20:54] time to announce that uh, Caitlyn is pregnant with twins.

[00:20:59] Chuck Carpenter: What? [00:21:00] Twins? Holy shiz. Well, uh, hold on. Let me add a little in there and cheers. Yeah. Well, all of our live listeners, and I’m sure Caitlin’s one of them,

[00:21:13] Robbie Wagner: No, she texted me and said she’s wrapping presents in our room and not to come up there.

[00:21:17] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, nice, yeah. Some for you, dickhead. they’re all gift cards. Anyway, cheers to you, Papa. Good job. That’s all I got to say. Yeah, cheers.

[00:21:32] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I’ve been trying to sell Caitlyn on the VW bus now.

[00:21:36] Chuck Carpenter: Nice! I think the Buzz, right? I’ve seen them in person. I think they’re super cool. the price point is a little higher than I expected. But, I don’t think it’s nuts. I don’t think it’s like, Like to get one nicely appointed, I think it’s like 70, you know, and

[00:21:52] with the, when you think about a Volkswagen and then what do you think about like the bus being kind of hippie ish or whatever else in that context, it [00:22:00] seems like a little much, but they’re super configurable.

[00:22:03] The space looks great Did you watch, um, , the cars and bids guy, Doug’s video,

[00:22:07] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I watched like the first 15 minutes. It was kind of long like 30 minute plus video I think I liked all the little Little details like you know, the center console can come fully out Also, it has like little things that divide it one is like an ice scraper one is a bottle opener like just the way they think about like Everything is useful and can be moved and like it seems well thought out

[00:22:29] Chuck Carpenter: you know, I know, like, Shade of, like, Rivian and some others, but, you’ve got the startup and the brand new car company, and then you’ve got the one that, you know, used to make cars for Nazis and now, , is of all the people. they’ve been doing it a while, so, like, their engineering is, like, They’ve got a lot of history, and they’ve been through many scenarios, and I just think, like, that is kind of nice.

[00:22:52] Yeah, I think those things are cool. I saw a couple in person last summer in Europe, I was like, yeah, I dig these. I was actually trying to, like, [00:23:00] pitch Sarah on those as well. Like, maybe that’s what we get over there. , we’ll see. We’ll see if we get to be successful in that.

[00:23:07] Robbie Wagner: yeah, I mean I think it’s like It’s so much cooler than just a plain minivan. Even like the cool minivans, like the Chrysler Pacificas that have like stuff where they’re trying to be cool and stuff are still a minivan and it still doesn’t look cool. And like, I would feel like I just admitted defeat getting one, but the bus is a little cooler.

[00:23:26] I don’t feel like that. And it’s essentially the same functionality, like the doors slide out of the way. So they’re like totally out of your way, putting kids in and out. And like a lot of the same benefits just looks a lot cooler.

[00:23:36] Chuck Carpenter: Agreed. Do you know a color that you’d like?

[00:23:39] Robbie Wagner: No, the one in the video looked nice, like the blue or

[00:23:43] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, there’s like blue, orange, green, I don’t know, a bunch of color options.

[00:23:48] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, we probably do blue or green. That’s what we paint every room in our house. So I imagine those would be choices.

[00:23:55] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Well, the plus side is, , two additional car seats. It’s [00:24:00] gonna be a lot easier in that kind of vehicle.

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[00:24:35] Robbie Wagner: yeah. Caitlin is holding on tight to the Tesla. And I think it’s going to not go well, but also I’m not going to make a big fuss about it right this second. So we can try it. We’re going to get like the, um, thing you put in the hitch on the back and you can like put luggage and stuff on that. So then you would have to have like, I mean, at least one of the kids has to be in like the very back, [00:25:00] which seems logistically bad.

[00:25:02] because if you need to reach them while you’re moving, You’ve got to stop.

[00:25:07] I guess the Thing we could do is like I could be in the middle Next to fin and then like both of the babies could be in the back And then I could reach them while we’re driving but I don’t know we’re gonna figure it out or we won’t and it doesn’t really matter because our uh Tesla is worth less than we have o on it right now.

[00:25:28] So, uh We’re gonna have to pay them to take it and that’ll be fun

[00:25:33] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, so maybe not a rush for that anyway. I read a thing that there’s a surplus of Teslas now, like their production.

[00:25:41] They’re, they’ve overproduced quite a bit to sales, and so that’s why there’s deals and some of the values have dropped. But I think EVs across the board have seen a decline in

[00:25:51] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. Cause they were like, real expensive because there weren’t a lot of them and like, if you wanted it, you gotta pre order it and you gotta agree to that [00:26:00] real high price. And now it’s like, leveled back off into being normal cars. And I wonder about the like, the batteries, is it, is it a problem with electric cars specifically?

[00:26:11] Because I know the batteries are gonna go bad versus like an engine will last you longer, perhaps?

[00:26:16] Chuck Carpenter: I can’t recall, but I feel like there’s at least like a, like a 10 year warranty on batteries though. And like, that’s closer to their life cycle or I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong, but I felt like at least with mine,

[00:26:28] I

[00:26:28] think it has like a longer battery warranty. Yeah. So, I mean, yes and no, I guess like. like, when you think about a car, you think about the mileage and the wear on the parts, but there’s explosions happening and a lot of, like, uh, lubricants and things of that nature that

[00:26:44] wear the, uh, some of the bits down, and while there’s some of that with electric, there’s Definitely a whole lot less.

[00:26:50] So then it’s almost like your iPhone, right? Or your MacBook and where people want to know how many like cycles you’ve gone through on your battery and all of that for its resale value. So I would think [00:27:00] it’s something like that. So 10 years is like, give or take whatever thousands of cycles potentially that they feel like they could cover it.

[00:27:09] Because if you get a warranty that long, you’ve got to feel like, well, then this is going to last a while. And who keeps their car for 10 years anymore?

[00:27:16] Robbie Wagner: I think that we messed up in several ways. One, in buying it when the Model X was the most expensive it’s ever been. And two, not leasing it. I think leasing it would have been the ticket because then we could have been like, Hey, this is dumb. You can have it back and we’ll get the cheaper one. 2028.

[00:27:38] Yeah. ,

[00:27:40] Chuck Carpenter: In my experience, you tend to learn them, , the hard way, I think they call it. Yes.

[00:27:45] Robbie Wagner: Oh yeah, I have learned everything by doing it wrong the first time.

[00:27:51] Chuck Carpenter: And

[00:27:52] there

[00:27:52] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, come to me for investment advice. I can tell you the things that didn’t work for me, but would probably work for you if you did it the exact same time.

[00:27:59] Yeah, like [00:28:00] the uh, the Shiba Inu coins and stuff. Like, I sold all of mine because, It was like at a stable ish value. Like I didn’t really make any money, but I was just like, I’d rather have a couple thousand dollars than this coin. That’s never going anywhere. And then like Trump got elected and everything went to the moon.

[00:28:18] And I was like, ah, cool. Like, I didn’t know that was going to happen. so like, I think I’m doing the right things. I just don’t know timing. Right. Like I try out certain investments that are good, but I do it at the wrong time.

[00:28:30] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, I mean, timing is difficult. And I think for most people, the timing on those things is Either very arbitrary, or very, like, you have deep knowledge, and you understand how to maximize, or something. and I am also neither of those things, and I’ve come in and out, I mean, I sold Ethereum at like 400 at one point, and yadda yadda yadda, like.

[00:28:54] I don’t think I have the temperament for, and patience for this stuff, mostly. [00:29:00] It’s like, and it gives me a little too much anxiety, so it’s just kind of not worth it in the end. Like, yeah, I mean, it’s just like playing the lottery, right? If I had the right timing in the lottery, slash the right numbers, things would be different.

[00:29:11] But,

[00:29:11] that’s not the truth. I have some, , XRP still. Just because, I don’t know, however many years ago, A friend talked me into getting those, similar thing, where it was like, They’re going to the moon, they’re so great! And he knew more about those things, so I was like, Cool, I’m going down that path.

[00:29:28] And I bought in at like a buck a piece, which was like, Kind of a high, at that point. And then, the SEC stuff came in, and it all crashed, whatever else, And I was like, well, I can’t sell it, because even the marketplaces won’t let you get out. at this point, I’d rather just go to zero. I guess, if it, uh, matters at all.

[00:29:47] Kind of forgot about them, on a hardware key. And I know those blew up too, because the SCC stuff, they moved on from, and now they have some more progress. I don’t know, the last time I looked it was like, two and a half bucks or something, so there was money [00:30:00] there. But, I, I still don’t care enough, so,

[00:30:04] to like, put the time in.

[00:30:05] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. I think I’m done caring about, crypto

[00:30:10] things. Yeah. Like I, I agree that they’re like here to stay, but I don’t think I’m ever going to hit the timing right to make money on them. Like, you know, it’s nice to just kind of have a little bit of Ethereum like occasionally because then it’s, you know, it’ll go up a little and then you could sell it or whatever.

[00:30:27] I think I have like. Point to F like Staking or something. So like

[00:30:32] whatever I might

[00:30:33] Chuck Carpenter: point, so I’m real annoyed, but,

[00:30:36] Robbie Wagner: Well, I mean I gambled away like 20 bitcoins back in the day so

[00:30:40] Chuck Carpenter: right, yeah, so you know, you understand. Could’ve bought your hou you could’ve bought your house in cash, but, you

[00:30:45] know,

[00:30:45] Robbie Wagner: oh Yeah, I have I have somewhere I think I threw it away. I think I had like 500 something light coins on a hard drive yeah, that, that’s a big, big oops there too, as well.

[00:30:56] Cause I was like, they’re worth like, you know, four cents at the time. I’m like, I don’t care about getting [00:31:00] these to like, work. And now they’re worth like, I don’t know, 30 or 50 dollars or something apiece. Like an insane amount.

[00:31:05] Chuck Carpenter: I trust you. I don’t even bother looking at this point. So like, because could have would have should have things. I mean, there’s tons of that in life anyway. Yeah, I mean, I think the technology is here to stay. I here’s my take is I question its viability as a currency, which was this intention, right?

[00:31:22] Like it can’t. Be a currency and an asset class at the same time, right? There’s no, like,

[00:31:27] real, because where’s the usability in that? Like, yeah, it’s usable for rich people. That isn’t a currency. That’s not how it works. If you can’t pay your frontline workers in a currency, then what is that, right? Like, you don’t pay your

[00:31:41] frontline workers in stock that they can then pay their mortgage on or their rent or whatever else.

[00:31:46] And so the currency argument is bullshit, at least in the current state.

[00:31:50] Robbie Wagner: Well, I think philosophically, it just feels bad to be like, , you know, if you’re gonna get paid for work for the month and you get like 0.01 [00:32:00] bitcoins, it doesn’t feel like you made a lot, right? Like, I know that equates to a decent chunk of money or whatever, but it’s like, it feels better if it’s a current, like a, you know, USDC, like the USD coin where it’s like you get, you know, however many of those is a dollar, that

[00:32:16] feels more

[00:32:17] Chuck Carpenter: one ish,

[00:32:18] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, it’s a one to one until, like, the things that back it up crash, and then you can, like, game the system or whatever. , I remember all that happening, and I I didn’t make any money off of it, because I didn’t know how it worked. But people made millions of dollars off of that. Heh heh

[00:32:32] Chuck Carpenter: fled to islands and stuff like that. That’s the things I can’t do edgy shit either You know, I’ve got kids in school and all this kind of stuff I can’t be like, I don’t know the repercussions I can deal with later on like I can’t deal with the repercussions because you know They go all of a sudden I gambled away some stuff like I can’t throw my expenses on a credit card and figure it out and hustle the next you know

[00:32:54] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, just like, uh I, I think everything Jack Forge is posting is [00:33:00] satire, but he’s like, you know, bought a bunch of Hawk to a coin and, uh, my wife is leaving me now or

[00:33:06] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, yeah, I think he does. He, like, I don’t know. I, I, I’ve never met him. Wouldn’t mind. I actually have invited him onto the show, and

[00:33:15] he has,

[00:33:16] Robbie Wagner: well.

[00:33:17] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, and I don’t think he checks DMs or something, and he doesn’t care. I don’t know.

[00:33:20] Robbie Wagner: when I

[00:33:21] talked to him, he’s like, absolutely want to do it. Timing’s not right right now. And then I messaged him a couple more times, like after that, and he didn’t respond at that point. I think he just gets too busy and he’s like, no.

[00:33:31] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, he’s like, mm, I don’t like whiskey that much, I guess. I don’t know. Maybe. Again, I’m making all assumptions, so.

[00:33:40] yeah, do you want to talk any topics? Any tech, tech, tech, tech that isn’t crypto? Because that doesn’t really apply to the, our lives and web and experience as

[00:33:50] Robbie Wagner: one thing I did want to mention just so that our listeners, 195 of you, that is your number one podcast on Spotify, where the fuck are you on the state of [00:34:00] JS survey?

[00:34:01] Because

[00:34:03] we got less people than last time. I thought we would consistently get more votes as we got bigger and bigger, but like, yeah, we got 13 votes this time.

[00:34:12] Like, we’re still on there. Yeah, I am too. So that means we got 11 votes.

[00:34:20] Chuck Carpenter: fans. Well, you all aren’t

[00:34:23] Robbie Wagner: one is NullVox. One is, , probably Chris Manson. One is, ,

[00:34:27] Chuck Carpenter: Jonathan

[00:34:28] Robbie Wagner: Creamer. you know, all the people you would think, I think, are the ones Are those 11? And so where are the other people? You’ve been a guest on this show, like a hundred people. where are you?

[00:34:39] Like,

[00:34:39] Chuck Carpenter: Where are you? Some people I don’t think are even taking that though. I don’t know.

[00:34:43] Robbie Wagner: well, yeah, so if you look at the results, like, it’s like, you know, of course syntax is number one and there’s a bunch of stuff, and then like none is 5,000 people, which is the overwhelming majority.

[00:34:54] So like. Why do all the people that take it not listen to any podcasts?

[00:34:59] Chuck Carpenter: [00:35:00] You know, that’s a good point. I think that’s a really good point. I think that, in my career I’ve experienced plenty of devs who don’t consume content in general. They don’t read blogs, they don’t do newsletters. And then, in this context, they wouldn’t do podcasts either on this subject matter.

[00:35:20] They’re really not like,

[00:35:21] Robbie Wagner: just crazy to me that they haven’t like listened to one episode. Like I haven’t listened to even one syntax to be like, I could say syntax, you know, like being like, all of these suck. None. Like,

[00:35:34] I

[00:35:34] think that’s crazy to me.

[00:35:36] Chuck Carpenter: it’s interesting they got the survey, and Decided to complete it, but had nothing to say when it comes to that subject matter, like you’re obviously curious enough to sort of engage. Because if you don’t get engaged at all, I kind of get it. I’ve met plenty of people that are sort of like, I don’t know what you’re talking about, They’re almost like locked at the time where they learned web development. And give or take to a certain [00:36:00] degree. That’s just sort of how they do things and get things done. Like, obviously, millions of people work on WordPress and Django and Rails and, you know, some more legacy, although Rails has had kind of a reboot as of recent, which makes me think, by the way, Typecraft, you better have voted for us.

[00:36:20] You better have done it. You’re not too big for your britches, buddy. anyway, Uh, Yeah, I

[00:36:25] Robbie Wagner: If he did the survey, the thing that I think is funny is the number two podcast is the primogen

[00:36:32] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,

[00:36:33] Robbie Wagner: who is, does not have a podcast. He has been on ours several times. So I’ll take that as a vote for us, for everyone that listened to his episode on

[00:36:41] Chuck Carpenter: Him and

[00:36:41] Robbie Wagner: just say we’re the have a podcast. I forget what it’s called now. It’s eluding

[00:36:45] but he has a podcast.

[00:36:47] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, they do one, like, it’s not like regular regular, but they have a handful of episodes. DHH was on there, actually. I think that’s how I learned

[00:36:57] Robbie Wagner: Well, I thought that was just like a Twitch stream. They’ve published it [00:37:00] on like a podcast platform, too.

[00:37:02] Oh, okay.

[00:37:04] Well then, okay, I guess he is a podcast. The man, the myth, the legend, the podcast,

[00:37:09] Chuck Carpenter: the podcaster. Yeah, maybe you should go with that. I’m not sure but to your point, you didn’t realize that you’re in the podcasting space I came across that just kind of like seeking a replay of that interview, I believe and Still he’s so popular people are like, yeah online.

[00:37:25] I don’t know talking online and Maybe that’s the context. I don’t know. I’m not sure

[00:37:31] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I think that’s a testament to like how hard it is to make it in the podcast industry that like Everyone knows who the Primogen is. He’s one of, my top five favorite people to listen to talk about things. And I have no idea that he has a podcast. So like, it’s just basically like everyone has one and it’s like, ah, the discoverability is bad.

[00:37:52] And like, yeah, it’s hard to find anything. So don’t know. There’s not really a good solution for that, I guess. Other than[00:38:00]

[00:38:00] Chuck Carpenter: make cool

[00:38:00] gear, fun stickers. You can’t buy that on our, on our

[00:38:06] Robbie Wagner: No, you can’t. This is, this is

[00:38:08] exclusive. If you are one of the four people listening live right now, and you want the ship shape one, message us. Go to whiskey. fm and contact me. I’ve got extra of these. I will give

[00:38:19] you one.

[00:38:20] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, shit. That’s sweet. Yeah, because they’re never gonna get printed again. Or, I mean, even if we did another one, it wouldn’t be that one.

[00:38:27] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I do want to, I was trying to get Ian to do like, the one you have on, but like, design it for actual knitwear. Mm hmm. So there’s like a fourth wall. We’ll do like, you know, fully knitted all the way down But you’ve got to like change your format a bit and like put some stuff on the sleeves and like do a couple things so we didn’t quite get there for this season But by next season or maybe in the middle of you know, some random time i’ll just have them ready so that then you’ll have them for next christmas, but I think that’ll be like an exclusive members only item.

[00:38:59] I want to have a [00:39:00] few of those And like, you know, incentive for becoming a member.

[00:39:04] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. I still want to work on trying to find like a way to do like a vintage soccer jersey style

[00:39:11] with

[00:39:12] our Ryan Reynolds fan club, , crest. Like that’s, that’s on my 2025 goals list is, is to make that happen.

[00:39:19] Robbie Wagner: your

[00:39:21] Chuck Carpenter: ever watched, uh,

[00:39:28] Telemundo or whatever, like a, a soccer match, but like on, uh, Mexican, uh, Channel, like, in Spanish or

[00:39:35] whatever.

[00:39:36] Yeah. It’s incredible. It’s so worth it. I enjoy it quite a bit. And also I get really annoyed with some of the like announcers on the American stations, even though they’ll bring in people, you know, from England or wherever else in there, they’ve got a proper accent and they can say some things, but they’re very biased against my team.

[00:39:54] And so I fucking hate them. So I’d rather not understand what they’re saying than hear the bullshit these guys are [00:40:00] saying. But when there is a goal, it’s just the celebration is fun. It actually is probably like One of the closer things to what it’s like to be there in, you know, just be at a live match, whether you’re a fan of the game or the team that is playing specifically, if you can go to like a match in a country where they love the sport, it’s just, it’s like electrifying.

[00:40:24] It’s so

[00:40:24] fun.

[00:40:25] Robbie Wagner: So does everyone in the UK hate Man United? Because they’re good? Like, is it like, like an Alabama football team kind of thing? Like, the dynasty is always hated because they’ve always historically been good? Yeah.

[00:40:42] Chuck Carpenter: decades. So there’s some of that. , I wouldn’t say everybody does, but it is somewhat regional feel like there’s always sort of variances to that because like David Beckham actually grew up in London, but his dad was a lifelong Manchester United supporter and so [00:41:00] through that he also became one and so, you know there’s edge cases I guess but so it’s funny because the dynasty in the 70s and 80s was Liverpool actually and so everybody kind of hated them and And then that shifted in the 90s to Manchester United.

[00:41:18] Manchester United was an original, like, top tier team because they won a lot of stuff in the 60s or so, 50s and 60s. And then it became Liverpool, and then it switched to United. So, it depends. best way I could say it for a while would be like, it’s like the Yankees, Yankees

[00:41:34] Robbie Wagner: the Yankees have not been consistently good, necessarily. But overall, their record is like, we should hate you.

[00:41:42] Chuck Carpenter: right. And they’re also, like, one of the most popular. Brands in the world for Major League Baseball, right? So Manchester United still has that. Like, there’s the Real Madrid’s, there’s the Manchester United’s, there’s these, like The brand is incredibly valuable as well.

[00:41:58] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I still think we should [00:42:00] create our own football team and call it fake Madrid

[00:42:03] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, instead of, Well,

[00:42:05] Robbie Wagner: Because it’s real Madrid and fake It

[00:42:08] Chuck Carpenter: It’s Real Madrid, and you know what that means? Real is Spanish for royal.

[00:42:12] Robbie Wagner: means football

[00:42:14] Chuck Carpenter: It means Futbol is life. I’ve wanted to say that for a while. Like, that guy was very funny.

[00:42:20] Oh, anyone

[00:42:23] What?

[00:42:23] Robbie Wagner: has been whining at my door since I kicked him out.

[00:42:26] Chuck Carpenter: Right, and, uh, this is the nice dog,

[00:42:29] so,

[00:42:30] like, why would you kick him out? Yeah, he deserves some screen time. The other one is a fucking murderer.

[00:42:36] So,

[00:42:37] Robbie Wagner: Well, he hasn’t killed anyone yet, but but would would not be

[00:42:40] Chuck Carpenter: he, yeah, he would really like to kill someone. He would like to taste more human blood. And I say more because he’s had some.

[00:42:48] Robbie Wagner: Well, they say that’s a

[00:42:49] Chuck Carpenter: so.

[00:42:50] Robbie Wagner: Like, uh,

[00:42:51] because, I mean, I’m going all off of pure speculation. I don’t know how they decided this, but like, someone decided that pork is the [00:43:00] closest to human flesh. And like pork is fucking delicious. So I could see that being a problem like a dog bites a human being like, um, yummy

[00:43:08] and then like then it they never want to stop because it’s like You know, they want that

[00:43:14] Chuck Carpenter: on Saturday, I had some Wienerschnitzel. , there was no cream, that’s, you know, breaded pork cutlets, get down, delicious. , some sausages, so, I now have an old German car, and I drove it up to a German beer garden, because, like, I just like those clichés, and then had some German food with a friend, so,

[00:43:38] Robbie Wagner: Nice yeah, the the reason i’m waiting till now to tell you that caitlin was pregnant is because her dad didn’t know until You Thursday, so we weren’t really like broadcasting. , that it was a thing like telling people in general.

[00:43:52] Chuck Carpenter: well, and I’m always texting her dad, you know, because

[00:43:56] Robbie Wagner: well That is true. He is a few years older than you.

[00:43:59] [00:44:00] Yeah,

[00:44:00] but you guys are both very young Yeah

[00:44:07] Yeah

[00:44:07] Chuck Carpenter: want to talk some about this before you like keep trying to push in push a push our

[00:44:11] Robbie Wagner: Well, hold on. Hold on I was just gonna say the whole point was When he was here and we told him we went to a japanese barbecue Had a bunch of pork belly on that super good. Anyway,

[00:44:22] Chuck Carpenter: No, you’re right. That that was good. No, that was worthwhile That’s a that’s a good point pork belly is like fatty thick bacon and it is You It’s always a good time. Unless you don’t like food, I guess. , I don’t think Caitlyn had any. Nor could she right now, potentially.

[00:44:38] Robbie Wagner: but

[00:44:39] she had It’s actually like probably in our top three restaurants. They have like these big King Mushrooms like King oyster mushrooms, and she loves those they’re like a little bit meaty flavor, but like it’s a mushroom So we got like three orders of those just grilled the shit out of those and like yeah, she loves it so

[00:44:58] Chuck Carpenter: All right, so, [00:45:00] speaking of, uh, well, this is kind of throwing back to other people gaining internet notoriety across multiple channels, and you have expanded, your reach with Learn with Jason. I want to take a note that your beard is significantly smaller now from your

[00:45:19] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, yeah, so there’s there’s a little backstory to that which I won’t take too much time with but I always do no shave November and then don’t shave December and just say no January facial hair February. I just like keep growing it and Caitlin doesn’t like it and so I did it earlier. I started in like September had a big beard for a while and then cut it for like the holidays I could be presentable.

[00:45:45] So that was the, the logic. Cause for the past, like, you know, eight years I’ve had a giant beard at Christmas and everyone’s like, Oh my God, big beards. I was like, I’m just going to shave it this, this time.

[00:45:55] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah. I gotta say, I think this is better. I think this is better for you. it’s [00:46:00] a better look. But, uh, I see you do the Santa Claus thing. That’ll be funny. That’ll be some that’ll be funny sometime in the future. But this time around. so yeah, talk a little about that, though. I watched it. you know, I’m a supporter.

[00:46:14] And I actually think you did a great job and what you were able to output in that four hour time. Obviously, you can be like, Listen, I think it was a great advocation for like, Sure, there’s a lot of options. There’s a lot of tool sets that you could It doesn’t mean that there’s only one right answer, and you were able to, like, just say, I’m gonna use the tools I know, the tools I’ve been, , contributing to for forever, like a decade, and I can still look how quickly I can work?

[00:46:44] Like, there’s no better advocation for that. Deverell.

[00:46:48] Robbie Wagner: let me just start with like everything Jason does is super high quality. The whole experience was like, not probably as luxurious as being like on a real TV show. But similar, [00:47:00] you know, everyone comes in you’re getting your food orders in you’re getting, you know The coffees you want you can see as I start i’m eating a burrito while everyone else is planning Like I I played it.

[00:47:11] I played it for caitlin and she goes. Why the fuck are you eating a burrito and also Cussing on this show when we were like one minute in and everyone else is like planning their technical thing I’m, like, well, okay. Listen, i’ll tell you why and i’ll tell you why now We had like a dinner the night before and like the, the guy from MailChimp was there.

[00:47:28] And so we were asking about like, you know, how do you use MailChimp and how does it work? And he’s basically like, I’m not a hundred percent sure, but like, you know, look at the docs and like, you know, they have a node API. No, no, he just hadn’t been there that long. And they picked him as like, So he wasn’t like in the weeds.

[00:47:45] He could use it and had like passing knowledge. But my thing that I noticed right in the docs, it said, you cannot hit this from the front end. You must use a backend something to hit this API. And [00:48:00] everyone at dinner the night before told me, nah, that’s gotta be wrong. You can just use the node JS one and like, you know, hit it from wherever has fetch.

[00:48:08] And I’m like, okay. So I did not believe them. and spent four hours the night before, stayed up until 3 a. m. getting it to work.

[00:48:18] And so then I could just do Ember the whole time once I got there because I was right. So I had to have Netlify functions and I used a Netlify function in the cloud, which was a backend thing that like could hit it and then it would send the data to the Ember side, which actually is a great pairing if you’re building an Ember app and you need some API routes.

[00:48:38] Do it in Netlify. Works pretty well.

[00:48:40] Chuck Carpenter: that’s like a next JS version of ember. That’s actually pretty smart combination that I think you should write more about. Also, I love that your OCD that you did that. And I think that’s a little behind the scenes. would bet that maybe this group did or didn’t. But you won’t be the first one who has done a little pre work.

[00:48:59] Robbie Wagner: [00:49:00] Well, it says in the prompt not everyone thrives under pressure. Do whatever pre work you want. All of us, I think, didn’t do a ton of pre work, but I wanted to make sure I could hit the API.

[00:49:11] So I spent a bunch of time on that and I told the other people like, be aware of that because I’m pretty sure that’s a thing.

[00:49:18] And then that took like over half of the time for a couple of the other people during the real thing because they didn’t realize that that was actually a thing. Now, if you’re using Astro, Next. js, anything that has an API route, it’s pretty simple to just use that. so that was what I was thinking about using Astro first.

[00:49:36] And I was like, I’ll use Astro cause I know it’ll do this. And then I can do all the things, but I was like, but I know I’m really fast at Ember and I’m worried about time. So I’m just going to do it in Ember and like set this up ahead of time. So yeah, I did that. I use the latest Ember, which uses Vite and, uh, like all the hotness, like, you know, it’s actually a modern JavaScript thing for the first time ever.

[00:49:57] Vite 100 percent works, it will get [00:50:00] free server side rendering. So it will, like you get rid of fast boot, like it’ll all be.

[00:50:05] Yeah, so it’s it’s just a Vite plug in and Vite will do server side rendering so Therefore

[00:50:11] you that’s pretty cool. I think that’s one of the first, like, front end developer technologies, I think that, like, most folks can sort of, like, agree upon and come around, like, yeah, Vite, using Vite, good idea. I don’t think anybody says, like, Vite, that sucks.

[00:50:30] everyone likes Vite

[00:50:31] Chuck Carpenter: everyone likes Vite. that’s the one thing, finally, everybody can come around on is like, yeah, Vite, works. Vite is good.

[00:50:38] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, pretty much anything Evan is doing like roll down and I don’t know all the things He’s got like four things in his like tool set and they’re all pretty much universally loved You , we need to have Evan on here. I don’t know if he drinks whiskey, but we should ask.

[00:50:52] Chuck Carpenter: He’s too busy coding.

[00:50:53] Robbie Wagner: Well, that’s true, but he could code while on here. Just, just do it live. We’ll, we’ll ask you questions mid coding stuff. [00:51:00] Yeah.

[00:51:00] Chuck Carpenter: That’s true. When I was introduced to him, he was hunched over a laptop. I looked up and was like, Hey, and then went right back to it. So we could do something like that. I’m open to it. We know people and know people.

[00:51:13] Robbie Wagner: that’s true. Yeah. Well, we’ll reach out, but yeah, like V is just good. It’s like, it works for most frameworks. It’s fast. It’s like the, , hot module. Reloading or replacement or I don’t know what the R stands for. reloading, I guess, like the swapping in and out of bits.

[00:51:30] Chuck Carpenter: Yep, hot

[00:51:31] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, is like super fast. It’s like the best developer experience for sure. And it, you know, is super different than my normal experience at work where we cannot use it at all. So I like change a thing and my build’s like Like you wait for like a minute, like I’m not going to make us wait for a minute here, but it waits for over a minute and a half probably and then goes, all right, I’ve reloaded.

[00:51:54] And then you’re like, ah, shit, that wasn’t what I wanted. So you change again, you wait. And like Vite really fixes that problem on [00:52:00] like every framework that uses it. And most frameworks do now.

[00:52:03] Chuck Carpenter: I want to recount a moment in your video. Hey, I’m Robert Wagner. developer at Amazon. I don’t do anything else. I have a big

[00:52:12] Robbie Wagner: I didn’t say that, but all right. So it, I was trying for whatever reason. I couldn’t get that part right at all of like, it’s me. I’m from this place. I work here, which is what they asked me for. Um, so everyone was kind of saying that, but I was like, uh, cause I was like, my brain was conflicted around like, do I say Great Falls?

[00:52:29] Do I say that’s near DC? Do I say it is DC? Do I say like somewhere near DC? Like, I don’t know. My brain just like shut down every time they asked me that. So I finally got one and I was like, that’s, that’s good. I don’t need to say anything else,

[00:52:43] Chuck Carpenter: say. The narrative is what you decide. So, who are you? Who are you and where are you from? That narrative is what you decide. They don’t care. They don’t care what your answer

[00:52:54] is.

[00:52:55] Robbie Wagner: but that’s not what

[00:52:55] Chuck Carpenter: what your answer is.

[00:52:56] Robbie Wagner: Right. I could have answered whatever, but they said, what’s your [00:53:00] name? where do you live and where do you work or something? Like it was very specific. It wasn’t, what do you do? Cause that is more generic.

[00:53:06] Chuck Carpenter: Well, I don’t care. My answer remains the same. That’s a narrative that you drive.

[00:53:13] Robbie Wagner: Well, I did wear our shirt

[00:53:15] and,

[00:53:15] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah.

[00:53:16] Robbie Wagner: maybe the logo got through there. Some,

[00:53:18] Chuck Carpenter: know, the big squid, giant squid, which was very popular. so, that was cool. I’m actually wearing it right now. So it’s just under this

[00:53:27] sweatshirt.

[00:53:27] Robbie Wagner: underneath your, your double layering.

[00:53:30] Chuck Carpenter: I double layered my representation. There’s an effort here where I did decide when I’m on camera I should be like, representing a little better, and uh, not just whatever I feel like that day or don’t feel like, of course. And then, yeah, I mean, they’re just good.

[00:53:46] So, I wear them a lot. So, just coordinate the day that I wear them. That’s all I have to do. It’s not like I don’t wear them. I just don’t always think ahead and be like, you know, you should wear this and this this day because we’re recording. Yeah.

[00:53:58] Robbie Wagner: my goal for 2025 [00:54:00] is to have swag that I am all proud of. So we’ll be replacing the react was a mistake shirts with ones that are dope instead of like where the logo just falls apart when you wash it.

[00:54:10] Chuck Carpenter: so sounds like you don’t turn them inside out and and not dry them. So sounds like that.

[00:54:15] Robbie Wagner: No, I don’t. And I shouldn’t have to because we have the technology to print good shirts. Like, Yeah, I’m thinking a full black one without the circle that’s black so it’ll just be like The neon logo on a black shirt water based ink wash as many times as you want.

[00:54:33] It’ll live forever like

[00:54:35] So so look out for that Yeah, if you bought one of the other ones send us a message at whiskey. fm on our contact form and We will get you 10 percent off the new ones

[00:54:46] Chuck Carpenter: 10 percent 10 percent you cheap fuck

[00:54:48] 10%

[00:54:49] Robbie Wagner: Hey, we don’t have money anymore. It’s not my fault.

[00:54:51] Chuck Carpenter: Well talk to me and we’ll see what we can work out. If you’re actually

[00:54:55] listening and paying attention, and you want another one, and you bought the other one, [00:55:00] talk to me. We’ll see what will work out.

[00:55:01] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, for sure.

[00:55:02] So, we’re over time, but I do want to give you some time to mention what you were doing for Christmas. Where you going?

[00:55:08] Chuck Carpenter: I’m saying, fuck off everybody. Except for my immediate family. Let’s go to Hawaii. I don’t know that sounds like some Brady Bunch shit and Like yes so it’s the first time in six years that we haven’t hosted Christmas and I know if I sit around the house. I’ll probably pick up a laptop and Find something to work on I know There’s some accessibility issues on Shepard and need to work on there’s a rails app.

[00:55:36] I’ve been pretending Spin up and well, I’m not going to do that. I’m going to Hawaii

[00:55:43] Robbie Wagner: Nice. Gonna listen to some Malika Liki Makka on the way there?

[00:55:48] Chuck Carpenter: is the thing to do.

[00:55:51] Robbie Wagner: ha

[00:55:51] ha.

[00:55:52] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t know. Yeah. Something like that.

[00:55:55] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. Yeah, that was Bing Crosby, right?

[00:55:59] Chuck Carpenter: [00:56:00] Uh,

[00:56:01] Robbie Wagner: it was bing

[00:56:01] It’s Bing.

[00:56:03] Chuck Carpenter: Okay.

[00:56:03] Robbie Wagner: another, another win for Bing there.

[00:56:05] Chuck Carpenter: Another win for Bing. Not Chandler. Different one. Chanandler Bong.

[00:56:11] Robbie Wagner: Bong.

[00:56:13] Chuck Carpenter: Alright, so, happy, oh wait.

[00:56:16] Robbie Wagner: Happy Christmas, war is over. Is that what you mean?

[00:56:19] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, something like that.

[00:56:20] Robbie Wagner: That was another thing that I was, , thinking about putting on the hot takes. Is like, is it Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays? the one thing I can say for sure that it never is that sounds weird is Happy Christmas. Sounds weird

[00:56:32] Well I know in in harry potter they say happy christmas which must mean it’s like a uk thing to say happy christmas Instead of merry christmas

[00:56:40] Chuck Carpenter: and maybe that’s

[00:56:40] where he picked it up from yeah, it does I also don’t care that much

[00:56:45] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I don’t either and on that note I think we done you want to plug anything charles william carpenter the

[00:56:51] third

[00:56:52] Chuck Carpenter: I do. I want to plug The Cream of Kentucky, which is also my high school nickname. I want to plug, Sony [00:57:00] Cameras, because they make me look horrible all the time. And I want to plug, Whiskey. FM, or Whiskey. Fund. Get your gear and more is coming in 2025, bitches.

[00:57:13] Robbie Wagner: we’ll put up stickers too if you want the ryan reynolds fan club or the React big mistake gum. Those will be up soon

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